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To: DBeers
Whoaaaaaaaaaa! It seems that I pushed your buttons! Take a deep breath and reflect a bit. Yes I know that Jefferson signed the Declaration of Independence. I even know that he lifted the phrase life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from John Locke, the father of the English Enlightenment, whose original phrase, by the way, originally was life, liberty, and property.

You may believe an innocuous letter counters the 'officially' published and agreed to Declaration of Independence penned by our Founding Fathers No, actually no letter, whether innocuous or otherwise, counters the Declaration of Independence. But letters from the hand of the founders themselves go a long way to establish what they believed or did not believe.

You quote the passage Laws of Nature and of Nature's God from the Declaration. Perhaps you do not recognize these as classic Deistic phrases which were used by most intellectuals of that era.

Your crusade for 'truth' regarding this issue is based upon irrelevance (sic) relativist secular propaganda... What of your cause -please explain specifically, what the 'Cause of Christ' you champion is?

Actually my pursuit of TRUTH is based upon a presuppositionalist theological commitment to the divinely revealed Scriptures. My epistemological stance is firm and impervious to the legends, myths, and passions of historians, revisionists, and liberals. The Cause of Christ that I champion is that Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth.

43 posted on 11/13/2004 1:11:19 PM PST by Credo_ut_intelligam
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To: Credo_ut_intelligam
Credo_ut_intelligam,

-and I quote:

"Whoaaaaaaaaaa! It seems that I pushed your buttons!"

Presentation -little... Substance -ZERO... Truth is Truth regardless the protestation or posture...

-and again I quote:

"But letters from the hand of the founders themselves go a long way to establish what they believed or did not believe"

But, but, -no buts... -in essence you admit your 'relevent facts' derived BUT now, admittedly far fetched, you suggest they are still relevant? Simply put -you attempt to divine what the founders believed from the 'facts' you consider relevant... The 200 plus years of historical evidence requiring no mind reading abilities flies in the face of the revisionist secularity you embrace -the secular and parroted truths touted as fact establish nothing except that of elite intellectual opinion wished to adopted as fact -opinion never possibly proven correct... Further, to suggest these derived 'facts' discredit the abundant well documented historical and modern evidence of biblical foundation --- Balderdash!

-and again:

"You quote the passage Laws of Nature and of Nature's God from the Declaration. Perhaps you do not recognize these as classic Deistic phrases which were used by most intellectuals of that era"

hmmm... let me see... "Deistic phrases which were used by most intellectuals" -opinion, not relevant... What 'point' are you actually conveying -do you imply that Natural Law ("Laws of Nature") & God ("Nature's God" ) are not one and the same -that Natural Law is not from God? Or do you suggest Truth uttered from the lips of a Deist becomes non-Truth? Further, do you suggest our founders to be Deist 'scounderels' who in Clintonesque fashion communicated one thing but meant something else?

"As Christians we are obliged to speak the truth" --I don't buy your revisionist version...

44 posted on 11/13/2004 3:20:57 PM PST by DBeers
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