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Shedding light on Islam (A Moderate's Perspective)
The Memphis Commercial Appeal ^ | November 14, 2004 | Bima Said

Posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:15 AM PST by MidTown_Doc

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To: backhoe

You posted my first thought.


21 posted on 11/14/2004 5:20:48 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: ReadyNow

Sorry :(


22 posted on 11/14/2004 5:23:36 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: MidTown_Doc
"Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West (but we have a plan to rectify that)..."
23 posted on 11/14/2004 5:24:38 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: MidTown_Doc

It will take 100+ years for Islam to recover from this time in history. They are being mis-trusted by more and more people, rightly so, because of their evil side and lack of outrage. I see nothing in this article that address's the current situation of islam and how to fix it.


24 posted on 11/14/2004 5:24:58 AM PST by truthandlogic
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To: MidTown_Doc
Lie upon Lie upon Lie

Same stupid litany of Moderate Muslims lies that pops up here every few months...like wood ticks, summer flies and other pests..annoying yet has to be routinely dealt with

In nations where Muslims are in complete control they govern by Sharia law...and any other laws they dream up...they enslave Christians, rape torture and murder their little children, hold them as sex slaves and sell them as same, they bomb their churches and kill their pastors...

As long as Americans are armed and Muslims do not yet control the police force...they cant get away with what they get away with in England ,the rest of Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,Asia, Africa and the Middle East...they would very much like to make over America as they have the other nations and fully intend to and their immams and mullahs have stated as much...

Muslims do NOT revere Jesus or Christians...

Jesus said of Himself that HE IS GOD....Muslims deny that Jesus said this about Himself and that He is God...God the Son.

Jesus said that 'If you have seen Him you Have seen The Father" and that "I and My Father are One"
Muslims deny the triune God ... God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit

Muslims also deny Christ crucified and that Salvation is only through the substitutional death of Jesus Christ

Basically Muslims deny Christ and what He told them and all of us about Himself...

When they do this they call Christ LIAR and deny the faith...

They pretend to honor Christ and Christians in order to pacify dissent during the invasion phase...and the takeover phase of their operations

Make no mistake....even though our leaders try to assure us that Islam is a religion of peace... history and and even a cursory study of current events denies this as does their current behavior in other nations they have taken over and are taking over.

We are being sold out on our own soil....mosques after mosque Islamic center after Islamic center large tracts of US rural property bought up by Muslims...and millions of illegal aliens
about to be made 'legal'

Americans are being force fed a destructive culture that in the end we will trade away our freedom
for safety...that the govt. can not and will not provide anyway...

God is not tolerant...they are tolerant in Holland and look what 'tolerance' hath wrought..

Moderate Islam is the "Trojan Horse" of the real deal....

But our biggest danger is our own politicans who have been bought off...and who have sold us out

Being tolerant of rapists, thieves and murderers in your neighborhood or those who sponsor them is not tolerance it is insanity

Basically what the author states is that he found America asleep and in denial of reality of a Muslim takeover....and he likes it that way..

IMO

25 posted on 11/14/2004 5:29:06 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: MidTown_Doc

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam...

29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Quran, Surah 9)
http://web.umr.edu/~msaumr/Quran/9.html


26 posted on 11/14/2004 5:30:09 AM PST by Ruadh (Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end. — LORD ACTON)
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To: MidTown_Doc

A radical muslim will kill you on sight.

A "moderate" muslim is one who won't kill you - today.


27 posted on 11/14/2004 5:37:43 AM PST by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: MidTown_Doc
The usual half-truths from its proponents about the 'religion of peace.' But the saddest part of the article is that "...as many as four people convert to Islam every month." Now, I know that such a statement also means "as many as zero" convert to Mohammedanism each month as well.

But the concept of even one person converting to barbarism and paganism in a month in the middle of a formerly Christian nation is sad beyond words. To choose to pursue 72 ephemeral 'virgins' in hell over life eternal in the Lord Jesus Christ gives new meaning to the word 'gullible.'

Ol' Mo was a pedophile who made it up as he went along. A 23-year long 'vision'? And we know this because the old pedophile said so? Yup. Now, step over here and look at the bridge which I have for sale.

28 posted on 11/14/2004 5:47:33 AM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: Haro_546
"What happened to Byzantium, and the once flourishing eastern Christians? They were exterminated by muslims commanded by islamic texts to wage a jihad."

Well, not quite. We are very much alive, and growing, even in many Mohammedan countries if not all and often in a state of "dhimnitude". There is no question, however, that the rise of Mohammedan fundamentalism has brought on another period of persecution for Orthodox Christians in Mohammaden lands. Generally speaking, though, and with some glaring exceptions especially recently, Orthodoxy and Mohammedanism have lived side by side for centuries and traditionally have found a modus vivendi, so to speak.

I agree that virtually all of this article is an apologetic, but it does have some interesting and informative points for the Western reader. For example, the writer comments that religion permeates every aspect of life in a Mohammedan country. This is certainly true. It is also true in Orthodox countries though not to the extent that it does in Islam. Those of you familiar with daily life in Orthodox countries can understand what I am saying. In the West, the only places I can think of where religion played a role even close to this in the modern era are Ireland and Poland.

I think this is a particularly important point since we are being told that we are not in a religious war when in fact that is exactly what we are in.
29 posted on 11/14/2004 5:58:57 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: MidTown_Doc
This post points to the major issue of Islam...it embraces lying and twisting the truth and hatred and violence. It behaves like a snake.

And who is the father of lies and hatred and violence? That person is the god of Islam.

30 posted on 11/14/2004 6:06:15 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: MidTown_Doc
It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world.
31 posted on 11/14/2004 6:06:40 AM PST by John Thornton ("Appeasers always hope that the crocodile will eat them last." Winston Churchill)
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To: MidTown_Doc
Respectfully & simple, man’s interpretation of any readings from the onstart of the The Qur'an ("Qor-Ann") lack any inspiration & creativity, including those called as scholars! As well noted, “Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be attained only by someone who is fully detached” Think deeper !
32 posted on 11/14/2004 6:08:39 AM PST by SIRTRIS
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To: Kolokotronis
I understand, but i think you underestimate the persecution side of the story. The larges community of easter christianity is in egypt and living under dihiminitud, in Iraq the Assyrian Christians number in thousands and there prospects are not positive, in turkey there was the Armenian genocide. Come on... should check the statistics Christians in prominently Muslim country have been diminishing for quite sometime.
33 posted on 11/14/2004 6:13:34 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: backhoe

Allah should bless the webmaster at SacredCowBurgers!


34 posted on 11/14/2004 6:14:01 AM PST by MidTown_Doc
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To: SIRTRIS
“Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be attained only by someone who is fully detached” Think deeper!

Think deeper indeed...I think what you mean is pretend to think so deeply that you submit...think deeply but don't think critically...

Where is the evidence that followers of this religion are thinking? Where are the products of that thought? Where are the great universities and hospitals? Where are the open minds...and where is the peace?

Islam is demonic. But of course Muslin can't consider that because that kind of thinking is blasphemy.

35 posted on 11/14/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Haro_546
I don't disagree with what you've said. I go to church every Sunday with the refugees. In fact I'll be seeing some within the hour. It is important to understand, however, that this is not the unrelieved history of Orthodoxy in Mohammedan lands. In the long range of history, we are definitely going through a bad time, but there were times which, by the standards of those times, were not so bad. On the other hand, my namesake and my other relatives in the old country had no problem dealing with the Mohammedans in a "terminal" fashion when the opportunity arose! I'm afraid we may have to again. Check my tagline. Four hundred years of dhiminitude is not something I want for us. My old people lived it.
36 posted on 11/14/2004 6:23:16 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: MidTown_Doc
There are only two types of Muslims:

Muslims who kill infidels.

Muslims who support (financially or spiritually) the killing of infidels.

Moderate Islam is a myth.

37 posted on 11/14/2004 6:24:45 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: SIRTRIS
Oh, and by the way...what does Islam say about pedophilia...in fact, how do Imams' view their relationships with little boys?

Would you say they respect innocence?

Look at how they treat women and young girls?

Submit or die, you say...I would rather die with dignity that live in shame as a Muslim.

38 posted on 11/14/2004 6:28:39 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

In Mohammed's own words, as related by Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai, AKA Bukhari:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’”


39 posted on 11/14/2004 6:30:17 AM PST by Ruadh (Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end. — LORD ACTON)
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To: MidTown_Doc

Let's get the Islamic terminology straight, once and for all:

Mosque = Terrorist Barracks

Red Crescent Ambulance = Munitions Supply Truck

Radical Muslim = REAL Muslim who follows the Koran

Moderate Muslim = A Trojan horse who quietly smiles and nods his head at the terrorists

Koran = a call to terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny and backward culture

Infidel = all non Muslims and Muslims who are not on jihad (all doomed to die)

Holy Lands = all lands unfortunate enough to be or ever have been under the heavy yoke of Muslim terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny

Islamic Pride = an insanely jealous hatred for every other culture that has left Islam groveling in its own seventh-century dust.

CAIR = Crying Arabic Islamic Retrogrades

Minaret = Satan's Jukebox - or - Howling Hell Tower

Burkha = Misogynistic Mobile Women's Prison

Muslim Chaplin (U.S. Armed Forces) = Turncoat Brigade Recruiter

Rape = something the guys get to do, especially to those hottie infidel chicks! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

Modern Technology = "Huh? Oh yes, that stuff the evil infidels make and maintain for us to use for to kill them."

Allah = the Moon God, whose most important representative here on earth is that meteorite worshiped in Mecca

Little Boys = a man's pleasure machines

Paradise = a giant rape orgy for you - if you die while ruthlessly murdering innocent unsuspecting infidel women and children

U.S. Armed Forces = things to run away from or kill with booby-traps, unless you can take a cheap shot at them and then hide behind women and children or hide in a Mosque.

Christian Church = firewood

Synagogue = firewood

Buddhist Temple = firewood

Hindu Temple = firewood

Confucian Church = firewood

Jewish Restaurant = Bomb Demolition Depot

Holy site = anything Muslim, unlike those giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan that were precious to Buddhists. “We blew those up real good! Heh, heh!”

Truce = a chance to regroup and kill more infidels later

Liberalism = the societal AIDS virus that stops the infidels from fighting Islam off

The American Democratic Party = The Islamonazi’s best hope to destroy America, the great Satan!


40 posted on 11/14/2004 6:36:26 AM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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