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To: jan in Colorado; All
There's more quotes from the Koran at FaithFreedom.Org that are indexed, with links to sources, and some great articles and the ex-Muslims there do a great job of explaining Islam to non-Muslims.

It's important to note that many of the rantings of the Koran are contradicted by earlier, more subdued and tolerant passages and folks will point this out to try and counter the intolerant quotes. The problem is, according to Muslims, the Koran is listed in an order for a reason, and what comes later supersedes the earlier passages and most of the rantings come in Mohammeds later revelations making the earlier tolerance redundant. The contradictions also raise a question, as Muslims believe the entire Koran is composed of Allahs exact words as revealed to Muhammed, then why did their all powerful, all knowing Allah have such a hard time makeing it's mind up? I suppose the truth is Muhammed added whatever he personally needed, whenever it suited him to help in his wars, genocide, slavery, looting, raping, and pedophilia (see articles at FaithFreedom.Org for details).

There are also some more great ex-Muslims at ApostatesOfIslam.Com and ProphetOfDoom.Net has more on the subject.

If you want to look at Islamic sites to see this for yourself, the mainstream "moderate" Islamic site "Islam Q+A" backs up the passes about “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.here. Over at Khilafah.com they have a stricter interpretation of ISlam, and back up that I posted about the agenda of Islam - a war between civilizations over here.

Or you can read Islams highest sources, their officially approved Imams in Islams holiest places and the hatred and calls to Jihad that have been preaching in my post here. It's interesting that Muslims or even non-Muslims that get offended by these facts prefer to take their anger out on messengers like myself, rather than the Islamofascists and the "root cause" - the ideology behind it.

I've been on several Islamic forums myself and with others (where I usually get banned for raising issues, so I go back in pretending to be a "moderate" secular Muslim) and can say the general feeling there for "peace and tolerance" towards the west is pretty low. But it is important to differentiate between Islam and Muslims. I believe Islam is evil to the core, but many Muslims are simply its first victims. I do not intend to make it sound that all Muslims have horns on their heads as this is not fair, or true. As I stated at least 100 posts ago in this thread, I had Muslim friends overseas and some of them were great people. Just not "true believers." All in all, living in an Islamic country for a few years as a Dhimmi expat gave me a great insight on their religion and culture, and I would like to help pass this on so others can see understand better what we are dealing with.

OK, coffees over and its time to go earn a living....

176 posted on 11/17/2004 4:38:23 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: USF
All in all, living in an Islamic country for a few years as a Dhimmi expat gave me a great insight on their religion and culture

So how many Mohammedans are into it? Are most of them cultural Mohammedans?

How deep and widespread is their hatred for the West?

198 posted on 11/17/2004 8:33:58 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: USF
Thank you for all the additional information. I guess I won't get any work done today either.lol I wish I had known about FR a year ago when I first started reading about Islam. Since I have been here I don't remember seeing anything on FR about this topic until the cold blooded murder of Mr. Van Gogh in the Netherlands. Of course I have been preoccupied with the reelection of President Bush for the past nine months or so.

I agree that it's not right to label all Muslims as evil. That is what makes this whole topic so difficult. However, it alarms me that Muslims have been silent about the attacks on this country and when I discovered that the Koran approves of this, things started to become clear to me. So, what are practicing Muslims suppose to do? I know the vast majority are loyal to Allah and not to this country. They may have been born here (?) but I still think they consider themselves Muslims first, not Americans.( Do they even consider themselves Americans at all?) This is why I am so concerned. They can live as law abiding citizens, and the majority of them are, but, as SheLion said, when the time comes, the majority are going to do what they are told and they will believe it is pleasing to Allah.

How on earth do we counteract this?

Others keep saying their numbers are small.How many did it take to hold a school hostage in Russia?

With the pacifists in this country, how much would they(terrorists) have to do before people would cave in to their demands to keep the peace? Well, I guess I've vented enough, I need to go check out the links you gave me. Thanks again for taking the time to give me all this info. I may not have dinner on the table tonight but I'll be informed. Hope my husband understands!

Please keep using your knowledge and experience to teach us and others.
204 posted on 11/17/2004 8:54:42 AM PST by jan in Colorado (I'm not opinionated, I'm Just Always "Right "!)
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