(South Carolina) Fire Pit Dated To Over 50,000 Years Old (More)

AP ^ | 11-18-2004 | Amy Geier Edgar

[SunkenCiv]

"Other researchers were more skeptical of Goodyear's discovery, noting that previous claims of very old occupation at other sites never have been verified."

Actually, previous claims were similarly dumped on, rejected on a priori grounds, and never investigated. So I guess that qualifies as "never verified." ;')

Thanks for the ping.

to all:

Archeologist finds evidence of humans in North America 50,000 years ago
Canoe (Canada) ^ | November 17, 2004 | AP
Posted on 11/17/2004 10:04:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1282689/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Retracing the footprints of time
Alberta Report (via Web Archive) ^ | September 9, 1996 | Steve Sandford
Posted on 09/30/2004 7:56:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1231460/posts

[Conan the Librarian]

I recently found the same thing. The earliest Conan I could find was in 1742 somewhere near Bamberg

[Reagan is King]

Good info, thanks!

[Wonder Warthog]

"Radiocarbon dataing is not very usefull in actually determining the age of material with much degree of certainty... Despite this fact, it's still employed as a propoganda tool knowing most people don't know any better."

It depends on what degree of "certainty" you are looking for. The only "variable" that affects radiocarbon dating directly is the variation in the amount of C14 being formed in the atmosphere by radiation from the sun, which is affected by the variation of the "solar constant". Cross-calibration of radiocarbon with dendrochronology takes care of most of that error for "more recent" dates (out to -10-20,000 years or so).

Most people who think carbon dating is "propaganda" are biblical creationists, trying to stuff their religion down the throat of science.

[OHelix]

Most people who think carbon dating is "propaganda" are biblical creationists, trying to stuff their religion down the throat of science.

I would agree with the former, I would disagree with the latter. I'd also say there is a similar correlation to conservatives and those that say the "science" of global warming is propoganda.

[Varda]

The DNA results for the Windover people don't show that they're European. They possesed mtDNA haplotype X which a few years ago was mistakingly thought not to occur in Asia. Since then comparisons of the haplotype X that the Paleoindians had and the haplotype X that Europeans have show that they're not closely related.

More info on the ongoing discussion about the origins of NAs
"Affinities of the Paleoindians"
http://www.antiquityofman.com/Palaeoindian_origins.html

[blam]

"The DNA results for the Windover people don't show that they're European."

My use of the word 'European' was a direct quote from a Dr Arnold ----(?) who did the DNA lab work and also appeared on the documentary I mentioned above.

[blam]

"Affinities of the Paleoindians"

Good article, thanks for the link.

[RightWhale]

"I think it's a 50,000-year-old geologic deposit," said University of Texas archaeologist Mike Collins.

I think Mike Collins is an academic deposit.

[Varda]

Haplogroup X was called European DNA because it was thought that it only occured in Europe. If it were actually European than one of the founding maternal lines would have had to have come from Europe. Now that X has been found in the Altai the case for Europe is pretty weak.

[blam]

"Now that X has been found in the Altai the case for Europe is pretty weak."

How does that relate to the possibility that all of todays Indo-Europeans originated in/around the Gansu Province region in China?

On another point. James Chatters (of Kennewick Man fame), thinks that Kennewick Man came from a line of people that spawned both todays Asians and Europeans.

[Varda]

I don't know about Indo-europeans being from Gansu Province. (Do you have a link for that?) Indo-european is a language family that many people seem to think originated from anywhere from central Asia to the Black Sea area. All of the sources I've read are talking about a much older population ancestral to several language famlies. Wells "The Journey of Man" dates them to 35,000BP; Cavalli-Sforza "History and Geography of Human Genes" dates them to 50,000BP+
Both place the population somewhere in central or western Asia. Sounds like Chatters is following that line of thinking.

[blam]

"I don't know about Indo-europeans being from Gansu Province. (Do you have a link for that?) "

No. It was contained in the book, The Tarim Mummies, by J P Malloy and Victor Mair. Although, if you've noticed, I post a number of articles from that region.

"Indo-european is a language family that many people seem to think originated from anywhere from central Asia to the Black Sea area."

I've read a number of articles (some years ago now) that claimed linguists had traced the origins of the Indo-European language to Anatolia...pretty convincing articles.

[azhenfud]

Those guys to our south's been trying a long time to equal NC barbeque....;-)

[SC Swamp Fox]

No mention of what kind of barbeque sauce they were using.

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[visualops]

Wow, they found the very first Pig Pickin'!

[fish hawk]

Fifty thousand years ago in a thunderstorm, lightning stuck an old tree trunk and caused a fire. Fifty thousand years later some pinheads find a circle of charcoal and make a great discovery that will change the world.

[farmfriend]

ping

[farmfriend]

Given the length of time humanoids occupied other continents, it is absurd to think that they were here for only a few thousand years.