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To: jb6
MY father was born in 1911, so yes my great grandfather was born a serf. Serfdom was gone in almost of all Western Europe by the 16th century. It only remained in Russia, Poland and Prussia into the 18th century.

As for the poor Russian Kulaks who died during the Famine, I never said that only Ukrainians died. But the fact is the Soviet Union continued and intensified the grand Russian tradition of imperialism on the Ukraine. The first order of business for the Red Army was the reconquest of Ukraine during the Civil War.

Russians must be amazingly weak nation if 3 foreigners were able to completely dominate 200 million for 50 years.

Guess Germany is not responsible for Nazi's since Hitler was an Austrian huh?
67 posted on 11/24/2004 6:20:28 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
So your father was born in 1911, lets say your grandfather was born 1 year before the end of serfdom, hmmm, that would mean your grandfather was at least 52 when he had your father? Not bad for an old man, considering the average mortality rate was around 50.

As for Ukraine, don't go out of your way or break your arm patting yourself on the back in pitty of how you were the martyrs of some ficticious Soviet vendeta. All of the former empire suffered under the Soviets, with the exception of Poland, Ukrainian Poland and Finland.

As I recall, the only Ukrainian state that ever existed was from 1917 to about 1922. It was originally a German Imperial protectorate, where the German army went village to village raiding for food till Ukraine rebelled from their "liberators" and then was run by an anarchist, who switched sides between the Reds and Whites like the wind.

69 posted on 11/24/2004 7:04:09 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Kozak
MY father was born in 1911, so yes my great grandfather was born a serf. Serfdom was gone in almost of all Western Europe by the 16th century. It only remained in Russia, Poland and Prussia into the 18th century.

There are people in USA whose great grandfathers were born as slaves (in America). I wonder what would you write if YOU were one of them? Would you clamor for reparations, claim special victim status? Whom would you vilify as the evil group?

100 posted on 11/24/2004 6:41:03 PM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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