Posted on 12/01/2004 5:19:59 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
Allow me to say that there are many things I admire about Mr. Bush: He carries and handles himself well, he did not stoop to the United Nation, etc.
However, I would like to respectfully encourage you to look at an invaluable resource http://www.bushrevealed.com
and also draw your attention to a few certain points and questions. To wit:
Yes, it is true Mr. Bush claims to be a Christian or "born again". Yet, Bush said Muslims and Christians worship the same "God". Wrong! It is also true that George W. Bush knelt before a Shinto shrine during a visit to Japan. The Japan Times reported:
"U.S. President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, on Monday visited Meiji Shrine, a major venue for Shinto worshippers in Tokyo. Bush and the first lady paid their respects by bowing in front of the main shrine hall
before signing a registry book, including a brief comment on their visit. Japanese Christian leaders confirm that
the Bushes engaged in pagan worship and not just a show of respect. The Japanese news services used the religious
term sanpei to describe the worship performed by the Bushes at the temple."
In the Bible, God says, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God. . ." Would a Christian kneel before the shrine of another god? This, I believe, is one of the most serious issues we can look at in this discussion. Would a Christian bow and pay homage to a god of devils? Not to mention the utter insult to Japanese Christians who refuse to pay homage to this false god shrine. If Bush himself is a Christian, his actions were a "smack in the face" to the noble Christians of Japan and in outright violation of the First Commandment.
Ironically, Mr. Bush was a member of the satanic Skull and Bones society during his tenor at Yale. One initiation a wannabe member must participate in before admission to this elite, secret society is lying in a casket (the Satanists call this process being "born again". I ask you, being "born again" of whom?) and other acts which I shall not mention here for the sake of decency. Many members of this society become high ranking American officials. One such member is Senator John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). Also, the Bush family is known to have generational witchcraft in their family which goes back to George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush. The President has admitted to being a part of this Satanic society, but has not denounced it. Would not a Christian believer denounce any satanic associations or connections, especially if he had left it?
Concerning the President being a conservative, he REWARDED the Alabama Attorney General, Bill Pryor, who prosecuted the "Ten Commandments Judge", the Hon. Roy S.
Moore, with a federal judgeship AFTER Bill Pryor's active assault on our Judeo-Christian heritage.
Also, Bush claims to support marriage between one man and one woman. Yet, Mr. Bush has praised a pro-Sodomite church(worldnetdaily.com article), has said that Dick Cheney (whose daughter is a lesbian) has a wonderful family. This type of relationship is, no doubt, blasphemous and wicked in the sight of Almighty God and ought to be rejected as unBiblical and a perversion of God's holy and ordained order.
Likewise, I will never forget the evening a few years ago, after Mr. Bush was elected president for the first time, when I watched an interview(20/20, I believe) between the President and Barbra Walters of ABC News. Mrs. Walters asked the President if he believed God placed him in office for this time. President George W. Bush said "no", he didn't. Would a Christian deny God's hand in his life?
May we not forget President Bush's implementation of the USA Patriot Act and Homeland Security Bill which defaced the recognization of many of our civil liberties. Mr. Bush still defended the Patriot Act recently during the Bush-Kerry debate in St. Louis. What a shame. A so called "Christian" president working against the liberty of his own people. Many folks point at Clinton, saying how he lied under oath. Please also recognize that when Mr. Bush pushed through the Patriot Act that he violated his sacred oath of office to uphold and support the U.S. Constitution, and that he continues to defile this oath by continuing his defense of the Constitution-ignoring Patriot Act.
To abandon my principles, Constitution, and heritage, and abate a man who pays "lip service" to Christians, but whose heart and actions are far from God's principles and what our forebearers sacrificed their very blood to protect, would be to abandon my conscience before my God. This I cannot do. The Bible says, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
My fathers fought against tryannical government in the War for American Independence. Again, they drew their swords against tyranny in the War for Southern Independence. Although we "lost" the latter war, the ultimate goal isn't to WIN. They fought because it was their DUTY. We must fight because it is our DUTY. We must fight to kept our honour clean. Personally my voice must, and will, oppose Mr. Bush as long as he opposes the
Constitution of these United States and continues to embrace what are abominations in the sight of God. Men sacrificed their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honour in opposition to tyranny in this land. Their blood has soaked the hills and valleys of these States. I cannot hold that cheap.
May we pray for the President, that Almighty God would show him where he errs and change his heart; may we also pray for God's infininte mercy on us, and diligently examine and ponder the straightness of the road we travel.
To the defense of American Liberty,
I do pledge my life, my fortune, and my most sacred honour,
A Fellow Young American Southerner,
B. M. C.
My answer would be "no".
A "true conservative" wouldn't explode the deficit with unnecessary spending. A "true conservative" would pull the plug on NPR, the NEA and a host of other pork, especially in a time of war where we need to make sure our military has whatever it needs. A "true conservative" would have never signed McCain-Feingold (CFR) into law. A "true conservative" would also not have ignored the crimes of the Clinton Administration and pursued them into court.
But, on the whole, George W. Bush is a fine president and a great leader of his party. The Republicans continue to prosper and expand under his watch. I don't have to agree on everything he does to accept him as my president. In fact, I still hold Reagan in higher regard than Bush.
I wish, however, he fought harder for conservatism and not just Republicanism.
Of course it is, and if that were Bush's default position I couldn't see him in any other light. But it isn't his default position. Like the little kid in the story, he's not masturbating until he goes blind; just until he needs glasses.
You have a point. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that Sandra Day O'Conner didn't reveal these views until recent years. I wish there was some way to get rid of judges who blatantly violate their oath of office.
Most, if not all, the FReepers are true conservatives, but some exhibit a lack of understanding of the facts. Is there a difference between a conservative-leaning person who makes many egregious mistakes toward favoring certain tenets of liberalism, and someone who calls himself a liberal, but nevertheless holds to traditional values?
Wouldn't it be great if everyone knew precisely where he stood on the issues, and exactly why?
Give it up. Facts and logic trumps them.
"but that doesn't mean I have to swallow the "Bush" koolaid of socialist-conservatism. New World Order, up up and away!!!!"
Amen, brother.
As conservative a president as we are gonna get. I think.
"However, where he gets that open borders secure this country is beyond my scope of understanding."
Hear, here!
This is a Michael Savage poll. He has gone on a Bush bashing crusade since the election. He actualy called Bush a "quasi Socialist" He sucks and is very jealous of Limbaugh
"The Project for the New American Century" and "neo-cons" are code phrases for anti-Israeli, anti-semitic sentiment. The users have realized that listing "Kristol, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams" has become obvious.
"Most of them are certifiable loons"
If wanting less federal gov't, less gov't spending, and more secure borders during this WOT makes me a loon, then all I can say is 'Quack! Quack!' (or whatever strange noises loons make!).
It is these 3 issues that I see GWB as being pretty much a liberal.
There is no way a person could behave as a "true conservative" while president.
It is unrealistic to think any other way. We can have varying degrees of conservatisim- We can hope and pray and help elect Conservatives to other positions- But A President needs to speak to more than just conservatives only.
We are a large and diverse nation.
Even thou I am disappointed in some of President Bush's decisions I understand that he does not only represent me and what I want.
It is what it is.
Given the roadblocks to competing parties (D's & R's don't compete, they scuffle over the spoils) I'm sure you're right.
GASP!
How sad. This thread is a virtual blizzard or white flags!
A president needs to represent all interests in the country- whether we agree or not. Our job is to educate people and push for Conservatism where we can -working from the bottom up.
We need to concentrate on local races and the overall climate in the country.
Hopefully Conservatism will get more and more support over the coming years. But in this current climate it is foolish to think that all those folks who voted for President Bush are "true Conservatives". It is foolish to waste time and energy bad mouthing President Bush while ignoring the places where we can make a difference. Places like School boards to editorial pages in local newpapers.
The only way to get a semi-conservative elected in this day and age is for him to speak to more than just the right.
It is far easier for a Judge, a Congress person or even a Senator to be a "true Conservative" and that is where we need to push. We need to keep our eye on the President and make him known of our interests but there is no way we can have 100% of what we want- 100% of the time with someone who needs to answer to millions and millions of people.
A good president will consider the desires of all citizens- even those who did not vote for him.
Our job is to make those desires more and more conservative by educating folks whenever we can.
You assume, in your infinite wisdom and years of experience as leader of the free world, that Bush doesn't want these things? Hubris, thy name is ideologue.
Bush does what is POSSIBLE, while making sure that he does what is MANDATORY. I trust his judgement (and access to information) a whole hell of a lot more than yours (or mine).
I want less federal government, less government spending and more secure borders. I guarantee you that George W. Bush also supports those things. That is a 100% certainty, I have no doubt whatsoever. I think President Bush is also trying to avoid a full blown "World War 4" involving nuclear weapons exchanges, while also trying to avoid a race war in this country.
You gotta do what is possible, not only what is pure. That is why we lost for nearly 50 years. The dims were content with incremental wins, while we would accept nothing less than 100%. Guess who ruled for most of a century? You also have to be alive and in office to do anything at all, however pure you may think you are.
I hate to say this, but you're one of the 80%, though I dont't think you're a loon, per se. I do think you have blinders on and haven't thought it through.
And you already know the sound a loon makes, even if you don't realize it.
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