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Flap erupts over photos of Bush at market stand (RAT demands it come down!)
LancasterOnline.com ^ | 12/03/04 | John M. Spidaliere

Posted on 12/07/2004 10:07:49 AM PST by Phantom Lord

Flap erupts over photos of Bush at market stand
Democrat City Councilman Nelson Polite says the photos are inappropriate in a public place.
Others rally behind standholder.

LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - David Stoltzfus says there’s only one reason he would take down the photos of President George W. Bush that he has displayed at his Central Market baked-goods stand.

Bush would have had to have lost the recent election. Instead, he beat Democratic challenger John Kerry to win a second term.

“If it were Kerry that won, he’d be up there,’’ says Stoltzfus, who operates the Upper Crust stand.

Doesn’t matter, says City Councilman Nelson Polite. “It should come down. This is a public market.”

Besides, says the Democrat, “Bush didn’t win here (in Lancaster City). It is like rubbing salt on a wound.”

Polite approached Stoltzfus on Nov. 12 and ask him to remove the pictures. The standholder has refused to do so, prompting Polite to say he will ask City Council to change the law so that all political items would be banned in public places.

Today, Stoltzfus pointed proudly to a photo of a smiling Bush, framed in green, that hangs above his stand.

The photo, attached to the stand portico with four brass screws, has hung there for nearly two years, since Stoltzfus and his wife, Nina, opened the market stand in March 2003.

They sell cakes, cookies and other baked items.

They also have a signed 8-by-10-inch photo of the president and first lady Laura Bush sitting on a shelf below, “right next to the pictures of my grandkids,’’ says Stoltzfus.

“I’m just trying to sell a few cakes and give honor to the president,’’ he says.

But Polite, a Democrat, says the photos should go.

When he approached Stoltzfus three weeks ago, he said the photo offended him and city Democrats.

Polite says he had received complaints from constituents who thought the photos were inappropriate, especially after the presidential election.

The market is public property and displaying political paraphernalia, no matter what the intent, says Polite, is inappropriate and divisive.

Stoltzfus is a Republican, but that hardly matters, he says. He displays the photo to honor the office, not the man.

Polite says political items do not belong in Central Market and if Stoltzfus refuses to take down the photos, he’ll take the matter before City Council to get the city law changed to ban all political items in public places.

“There should be rules,’’ says Polite.

Even if Kerry had won, he’d be asking Stoltzfus to take the photos down, says Polite.

A string of supporters, including Republican Mayor Charlie Smithgall and former Republican Mayor Art Morris, have made their way to the Upper Crust to offer their support to Stoltzfus.

“We have no regulations against it,” says Smithgall. “He is the president of the United States. If he wants to put a picture of (Democratic) Gov. Rendell up, that’s fine by me.”

Smithgall said Stoltzfus asked for a picture of him to hang up.

“I said, ‘Yeah, right.’”

Some of Stoltzfus’ fellow standholders are considering putting up photos of Bush in solidarity with Stoltzfus.

Kim Moyer, at the Lancaster Juice Company, says Polite was “out of line.”

“(Stoltzfus) has every right to put the pictures up. We pays rent here. Anyway, we’re in America.”

Market Master Ernie Thomas said there are no rules about hanging political items at market stands.

Even if there was, says Thomas, “That is our president, whether it is a Democrat or a Republican.”

Jim Zink, the owner of the Herb Shop stand, says he is a Democrat. But he’ll hang a photo of Bush to support Stoltzfus’ right to hang his.

“He has every right to hang it,’’ Zink says of Stoltzfus. He says it doesn’t offend him as a Democrat to see Bush.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
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To: Phantom Lord

“There should be rules,’’ says Polite.
121 posted on 12/07/2004 11:09:12 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Phantom Lord
Even if Kerry had won, he’d be asking Stoltzfus to take the photos down, says Polite.

Yeah. Right. Sure.
122 posted on 12/07/2004 11:10:46 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Phantom Lord

Let them keep on turning off potential and existing Democrats. They keep up this behavior and they'll be the minority party forever..


123 posted on 12/07/2004 11:13:28 AM PST by rocky88 (I've gotta fever, and the only prescription is... More Cowbell!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Another liberal attempt at censorship, but they're too stupid to even realize it. If the city council overturns it, let's organize a fund to supply the owner with a year's supply of tees with the President's picture on it.


124 posted on 12/07/2004 11:13:56 AM PST by rintense
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To: Phantom Lord
change the law so that all political items would be banned in public places.

What the hell? This sounds like those "separation of church and state" fanatics almost. Of course you can make political statements in public. We have a first amendment! If you don't like it, don't buy from him.

125 posted on 12/07/2004 11:14:29 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Mr. Polite is a budding fascist.

Budding? He's there.
126 posted on 12/07/2004 11:14:47 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I was just trying to think like a liberal...

Very dangerous stuff there. Be vewwwy careful.

127 posted on 12/07/2004 11:15:34 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: xp38

Yup, I would use #2 as well (found a monster-sized version in google!).


128 posted on 12/07/2004 11:20:22 AM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: Phantom Lord

I would like to every tenet business to prominently display a picture of the President.


129 posted on 12/07/2004 11:20:36 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yup, I try to listen to Prof. Lewis. < g >


130 posted on 12/07/2004 11:21:01 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: RetiredArmy

>One day, this will all blow up in another civil war.

I'm afraid you are correct. The libs will be determined to take our money and we will fight for it (I hope).


131 posted on 12/07/2004 11:22:23 AM PST by sandbar
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To: Phantom Lord

Another telephone call to make. What is this councilman/idiot's phone number? Or better yet, his fax number. I want to fax him a portrait of President Bush.


132 posted on 12/07/2004 11:22:37 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: alancarp; All
Everyone go copy this photo and send it to the guy's email addy listed in posted number 15.

I just did.

133 posted on 12/07/2004 11:32:31 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Phantom Lord
If anyone wants to FReep this Nelson M. Polite, here is a nice printable portrait of President Bush, fax number of Mr. Polite included.

Or you can go to this link for the image above. Should print out of your printer in one nicely sized page.

Link Here

134 posted on 12/07/2004 11:35:54 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Phantom Lord
“There should be rules,’’ says Polite.

THERE ARE! IT'S CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT !!!

read it you @**hole

He can but up any damn picture he wants.

135 posted on 12/07/2004 11:38:19 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: BJungNan

done, thanks


136 posted on 12/07/2004 11:56:37 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Phantom Lord
To Mr. Polite and all the other demonRats, you'll a bunch of:


137 posted on 12/07/2004 12:00:28 PM PST by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Lorianne

They have mine now. The line must have been busy while your fax was going through LOL


138 posted on 12/07/2004 12:00:31 PM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Offended? Then shop elsewhere!


139 posted on 12/07/2004 12:04:06 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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To: Phantom Lord
Polite says political items do not belong in Central Market and if Stoltzfus refuses to take down the photos, he’ll take the matter before City Council to get the city law changed to ban all political items in public places.

“There should be rules,’’ says Polite.

There are rules. The US Constitution bans bills of attainder. I believe most state constitutions do also.

140 posted on 12/07/2004 12:04:48 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion.)
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