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To: Chemist_Geek; topcat54; bondserv; franky; biblewonk; BibChr; fishtank; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Explain your claim that Christian extremists are a threat to our society.

Christian extremists are folks like St. Francis, the Apostles, Mother Theresa, Billy Graham and Fulton Sheen. Please tell me how you can so fervently defend the raging horrors of Islam's march in the world and then claim that Christian extremists are a threat to humanity.

You are beyond ridiculous!


258 posted on 12/09/2004 2:08:20 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: broadsword

Christians in Egyptian cathedral stone police to protest woman's alleged forced conversion to Islam

30 hurt

By Maggie Michael ASSOCIATED PRESS

6:11 p.m. December 8, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt – Several thousand Christians who packed a cathedral compound in the Egyptian capital hurled stones at riot police Wednesday to protest a woman's alleged forced conversion to Islam. At least 30 people were injured.

The injured included 21 police officers. Some policemen were seen wiping blood from their heads in the streets outside the compound of the Coptic Orthodox cathedral in Cairo's Abbasiya district.

Police threw the rocks back over the compound wall and an Associated Press reporter saw about 10 injured people, including a priest, inside the compound. The police sealed off the compound by parking some 40 trucks around its walls and closing adjacent roads.

Protests began Sunday at the cathedral as word spread that the wife of a Coptic priest in Abou al-Matameer, a town 84 miles north of Cairo, was forced by her Muslim boss in the civil service to convert.

A security official has said the 47-year-old woman, Wafaa Constantine, was living in a Muslim household in Cairo and had become a Muslim of her own free will.

Some of Egypt's Coptic Christian minority said Constantine was kidnapped and taken to Cairo with the complicity of local authorities.

The disputed case highlights the potential for friction between Egypt's Muslim majority and Christian minority. The Copts are an estimated 10 percent of the nation's 70 million people.

On Wednesday night, a brother-in-law of Constantine entered the compound and told protesters through a loudspeaker that the woman had returned home.

"My brothers and sisters: my brother just told me that she arrived in a safe place and she is in good condition," Meshiha Maawad said.

The protesters clapped and whistled but refused to leave. They demanded that Pope Shenouda III, the head of the Coptic Orthodox Church, speak to them. The pope has offices in the compound.

An assistant, Bishop Yoanas, told the crowd the leader left the compound because he was "upset" that authorities delayed Constantine's return.

"We thank the government for bringing her to us," the bishop said. "But because of the delay, Pope Shenouda, who waited four hours for her return, was not happy and he left."

Some protesters said they would not leave the compound until they saw Constantine herself. But, as the night wore on, many protesters did leave.

The victims of the rioting included young priest Matyas Abdel Maseh. Leaning against a wall for support with his head bandaged, he said he was hit by a stone thrown by the police as he tried to stop demonstrators from getting too close to the compound's gates.

"The government is attacking Christians," Maseh said. "The army outside the gates is attacking us with stones."

Accusations of forced conversion surface every year in Egypt.

The editor of the Coptic newspaper Watani, Youssef Sidhom, accused the government and local authorities of being reluctant to investigate and prosecute such cases.

"Such injustice has created a very sensitive situation, like the one we are witnessing now," Sidhom told the AP in a phone interview. "What kind of a religion is it that accepts people who have been forced to believe in it?"

Copts generally live in peace with their Muslim neighbors, but they are underrepresented in the upper ranks of the civil service. They complain of discrimination in finding jobs and restrictions on building churches.

During an Islamic insurrection in the 1990s, Muslim militants occasionally attacked Copts. In 2000, clashes broke out among Copts and Muslims in several adjacent villages in the southern province of Sohag, leading to 23 deaths. All but two were Copts.

Find this article at: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20041208-1811-egypt-christianprotests.html

----Need not have to wait too long to prove that the people of the Moongod, like I said earlier, if they are a majority, then they will try to convert infidels either forcefully or in another manner- like in the above case by kidnapping.


259 posted on 12/09/2004 3:28:42 PM PST by velocityguy
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To: broadsword; Chemist_Geek

"Explain your claim that Christian extremists are a threat to our society."

People who claim that generally mean that Christian extremists are a threat to vices they want to be free to indulge in without censure.

After all, not so very long ago it was hard to get a divorce, contraception was not readily available, and adultery and fornication were as illegal as homosexual sodomy.

By saying that people who believe these things are immoral are "extremists," a person who wishes to engage in these vices hopes to win a summary judgement and prevent discussion of the issues on the merits.

While it's unfortunate to see this on FR, it's a very common stratagem on the left: "There's nothing to talk about. My position is tolerant, yours is extreme. End of story."

As Thomas Sowell noted in a recent column, "It's amazing how many people think they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them. Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to deal with facts or logic."


264 posted on 12/09/2004 5:34:34 PM PST by dsc
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To: broadsword; Chemist_Geek
Freedom is based on two uniquely Christian principles.

1. Christ died for the sins of the world, which enables us to choose freedom.

2. The only valid authority is God, which He has chosen to reveal Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, and on the pages of the Bible.

With these two principles the United States of America was founded. First by allowing no man to rule over another, but having laws founded on the authority of scripture to rule over all men. A government based on the model of the three persons of the Trinity, 1. Executive, 2. Legislative and 3. Judicial branches.

With this form of government only the rightful King can rule, King Jesus Christ, who has proven Himself worthy to God the Father and mankind. He rules by transforming the hearts and minds of citizens who honor Him with their lives. Belief in Jesus comes by persuasion rather than force!
265 posted on 12/09/2004 6:03:30 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! † [Check out my profile page])
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