Man Gets 18 Months For Beating Puppy To Death

MaineToday.com ^ | 12/08/04 | Alan Crowell

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

There are sure a lot of PETA types on this thread!

Not believing in the "sanctity" of animal torture = being a "PETA type"...? Please.

Sure are a lot of budding sociopath-types on this thread.

[FreedomAvatar]

Sure it is. You're using mindset and group rather than action to categorize the severity of the crime. He beat a puppy just for kicks. What if he had pulled the legs off a frog just for kicks? Still gets 18 months in prison?

Perhaps. Maybe had he quickly decapitated the puppy, it would have been more humane. But if he did it for fun...well...

I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest. The bigger issue I see is that animal rights whackos love these kinds of cases. It's obvious we have endowed certain groups of animals with more rights and privileges than others and I have little faith in our politicians to make clear distinctions.

[sasafras]

I agree with you, but its peculiar however that PETA would be so concerned about this but care less about killing innocent human life.

[exnavychick]

The point is...the man is being locked up for animal cruelty...not for what he MAY do. What he MAY do might be a factor in the length of his sentence, but it is not what he's getting locked up for. (They do the same thing to habitual, and -especially- violent felons). What he MAY do is a pretty obvious, even without scientific research to back it up. How many kids that were mean to their pets grew up to beat their wives or children?

Really, how many people that grow up homosexual go on to molest children? How many people that beat and torture animals for the sheer fun of it go on to be cruel (and/or murderous) towards other people? Size of population doesn't count when you are talking causation.

Funny how you abandon debate when the facts aren't rolling in your favor. You go from asserting that homosexuals are pedophiles at about the same rate as killers are animal abusers to saying it doesn't matter anyway. Geez louise!

[Asphalt]

They should deffiitley watch him. But don't put him in the same place people who kill other humans go.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Oh no, instead his rights have been violated. He's received "cruel and unusual" punishment.

[Americanwolf]

Thanks,

I will admit that my stand comes from my heart. My dog means the world to me. The dear dog we lost in april was also a very close companion to both my brother and myself.

Are these dogs people, no... They are animals that felt that joy when we come home from work and greet us. They show the anxity when we go away. They are friends and companions.

Do I think someone should go to jail for cruelty to an animal yes... as in this case a senseless act of violence by a person that could not control themselve. for killing a cow for meat no... (but some here would like you to belive that.

A poster made the comment earlier that the bickering here is above the freepers...well I would like to think that, but I would also like to think that most freepers are above calling other people nuts for belive differently then they do about animals, and life in general.

You can say I crazy, mentally unstable, loony a left liberal etc... those that call the names go ahead and throw them at me...But think do you value and life that little that you differentiate between humans and animals when it comes to the importance of a life ended by sensless violence.

Kent,

Thanks for letting me tag on to you last post for the Rant... I will leave it at that. Flame away all if you must, but remember what you project at other people, can be projecting what you hate most about yourself.

Thanks for the rant space.. now if you will excuse me
I have a little black queensland heeler that I know has been sitting in the front room on a bed for the past hour waiting for us to get home.

[exnavychick]

Thank you for making my point. Nice talking to you.

[Americanwolf]

Yes I know you accused my brother of being a DUmmie... I can guarentee that is not that case. But then again you seem to think that you have had the corner of what is right and just so who am I to disagree with you.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Really, how many people that grow up homosexual go on to molest children?

Some studies show at least half of homosexuals were sexually abused as children, that is below the age of consent. And those are studies that surveyed them, it could well be higher. Some studies have shown 30% of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by homosexuals. Considering they are only 1-3% of the population that's astounding. Not liking the results leftist academics decided to redefine pedophile to exclude homosexuals. The point being, I don't trust the agenda of these researchers. And neither should you. So think long and hard on legislating crime based on this crap, whether it be homosexuals or animal abusers. People should be tried and sentenced on the crimes they commit not on crimes they may commit. Last point, animal cruelty as a crime gives animals rights they should not have.

[NordP]

"That's a pretty harsh statement, wishing for eternal damnation and torture for someone for killing a dog. IMO, Christians shouldn't wish that on anyone, even murderers or Democrats."

I guess that means I just lost my "Christian Card" - 'cause after giving it some thought....

MAY HE ROT IN HELL, forever....yah, I forgot the forever part.

Thanks for reminding me.

[najida]

I remember once Paul Harvey had an item about how there is a high rise in the incidents whereas abusive husbands maintain their suffering wives by threatening to do horrific things to her pet should she leave. I realize it could also be a monster wife threatening a husband but I got the drift it is mainly the other way around.

That was coverted me from Donna Reed to Delores Clayborne. >:>(TIC) It wasn't that he wanted to keep me, but it was his irrational jealously for anyone or anything that got my attention and affection. Everything from mysterious disappearances, to whole litters of kittens suddenly dead to starving dogs he swore he was feeding....maybe is why I am so fiercely protective now.

[NordP]

Oh....THAT was pithy! Very good!

[najida]

Unbelievable that a 4-yr-old would or could stab a puppy to death. What can you do with such a child?

Watch them real closely. Don't let them near animals again. Monitor closely their interactions with other children. Acknowledge that they my end up institutionalized forever. (if not in prison first). BTW, That same child started a fire UNDER the house where is stepmother was sleeping. Bluntly, he was another Dahmer or Bundy in the making.

[najida]

I'm not crazy guys.

None of us said you were. However, you are not someone I think should have pets, or really tend to animals in any way shape or form. You are not someone I would invite into my home, want as a friend or want around anyone or anything I cared for.

I wouldn't wanna break a nail slappin' you silly or ruin good shoes kickin' yer butt to the curb when you started tellin' me that my critters were nutin' but property ;)

[Ciexyz]

This situation occurs frequently in abusive relationships: the man threatens harm to the woman's pet in order to control her behavior. There are even cases where women refuse to leave abusive relationships because they fear for their pet or because they can't take the pet with them, can't provide for the pet.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Unbelievable that a 4-yr-old would or could stab a puppy to death. What can you do with such a child?

Monitor them closely. A certain percentage of them, regrettably, will grow up later to gas online, interminably, as to how it's actually "conservative" and "okay" to torture and kill small animals.

[exnavychick]

Okay, so now I see where you are coming from. I still don't agree with you, because I don't believe that researchers needed to jerry-rig their results as far as animal cruelty translating to violent crime goes. There isn't an agenda there (at least, not a leftist one). Most people aren't too keen about protecting the rights of serial killers, after all. Some whack jobs, certainly, but the tin-foil hat crowd always needs a hero. And there are always lonely, unbalanced women who like to write them love letters. Does that mean they are any less violent, etc.?

With statistics like 1-3% of a population committing 30% of the crimes, that is certainly alarming. That being said, you said..."some studies". To the best of my knowledge, all studies on violent behavior have animal cruelty as a sign of future violent behavior. This, of course, leaves out people with organic brain diseases and people killing in self defense, etc. And with the homosexual thing...it's a chicken and egg scenario. Are they homosexuals because they are molested, or do they molest because they are homosexuals? I don't believe anyone has proved that homosexuals are pedophiles because they ARE homosexual. I would think that would have to do more with their personal history of being sexually abused. Many pedophiles who were molested are not choosing same sex victims.

I would imagine that the correlation of animal abuse to future homicides is much higher than the correlation of homosexuality to pedophilia. Besides, with pedophilia, you are dealing with human victims, not animals, so it's kind of an apples and oranges argument.

[Cultural Jihad]

I try to avoid news items which highlight cruelty, Bella_.