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To: Non-Sequitur

What about a secondary explosion from either our troops (via live ammo or grenades) or cached explosives. Initial reports has three explosions. Do troops come into the mess-hall armed?


101 posted on 12/22/2004 7:51:31 AM PST by CedarDave (Primary rule of Dem whining: The complaint need not be accurate as long as the charge is serious.)
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To: CedarDave
Do troops come into the mess-hall armed?

I would certainly hope so. You do not want to be anywhere in a combat zone without your weapon and ammo.

102 posted on 12/22/2004 7:57:35 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: CedarDave
Military probes origin of mess hall blast

KUWAIT CITY (CNN) -- Investigators in Iraq are looking into whether an explosion that killed 22 in a mess hall was caused by a bomb placed inside the tent or by a mortar or rocket attack from outside.

Initial reports speculated that it may have been a rocket attack, but Task Force Olympia spokesman Lt. Col. Paul Hastings said Wednesday "the cause is unknown." FBI forensic experts were flown to the scene of the blast at Camp Marez outside Mosul.

Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz said it was "certainly a possibility" that a bomb was placed inside the tent. "That's the reason we have our experts up there," he said.

Metz said the forensic experts should be able to narrow down the cause by examining the materials that were used to make the device.

Asked whether witnesses heard a sound like that of an incoming rocket, Metz said wasn't sure, but "the ones that I have heard, you're right -- there is a distinct noise from an incoming missile."

Stainless steel kitchen equipment inside the tent was pitted with circular holes -- a possible sign of ball bearings used as shrapnel to increase the deadliness of a bomb, Hastings said.

"There are perfectly round perforations around the dining hall, in the stainless steel service equipment," Hastings said. They were "very symmetrical perforations, like ball bearings or bb's."

In a revision to an earlier casualty toll, Lt. Col. Steve Boylan on Wednesday said 22 people -- 14 U.S. soldiers, four U.S. civilians and four Iraqi security forces -- died in Tuesday's explosion. Seventy-two people were wounded, including 51 soldiers.

The death toll puts the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war at 1,319, including 1,038 killed in hostile action and 281 killed in nonhostile activities, according to the U.S. military.

The attack was one of the deadliest single incidents for American troops since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, and the one-day toll was the worst since the early days of the invasion.

Between 40 and 50 of the wounded -- many in critical condition -- arrived in Germany on Wednesday for treatment at the U.S. military's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.

Remains arrive in Kuwait

At a desert military base outside of Kuwait City early Wednesday, the bodies of U.S. soldiers killed in the attack arrived on a C-130 cargo plane.

"Very quietly, very deliberately the remains in body bags ... were brought off by the soldiers who saluted their fallen comrades," CNN's Barbara Starr reported. "They were placed very reverently in some vehicles and then driven off to mortuary affairs specialists here at the Air Force facility in Kuwait. Eventually the remains will be returned to the United States.

Jeremy Redmon, a newspaper reporter embedded in Iraq with troops at Camp Marez, told CNN the blast "knocked soldiers off their feet and out of their seats."

Messages on Islamist Web sites said the Iraqi militant group Jaish Ansar Al-Sunna claimed responsibility, calling it a suicide attack carried out by one person. CNN could not confirm the authenticity of the claim.

The group has claimed responsibility for previous attacks, including the beheadings of a Turkish truck driver and a Kurdish official and the slayings of 12 Nepalese hostages. In its statement, it said it shot video of the attack to be released later.

In Washington, President Bush expressed his "heartfelt condolences" to the families of those killed, adding that U.S. troops in Iraq are engaged in a "vital mission."

'A level of vulnerability' CNN personnel who have visited Camp Marez said the dining area is a tent-like facility with no hardened protection -- and that soldiers had specifically raised concerns that they could be targeted by insurgents at meal time.

One had told CNN it was only a matter of time before there was an attack on the mess hall.

"There is a level of vulnerability when you go in there, and you don't feel like there's a hard roof over your head," said Lt. Col. Hastings.

Overall the base has good protection, Hastings said, and a new dining facility is being built.

Bill Nemitz, a reporter with the Press-Herald newspaper of Portland, Maine, who was embedded at the base, said the new facility is made of concrete and was originally set to be completed by Christmas, but construction had slowed and the building is not near completion.

Nemitz said the base's chief medical officer in April expressed concern about the mess hall being targeted and was charged with drawing up a "mass casualty" plan.

Mosul has been a site of repeated attacks in recent weeks. When the U.S. military launched a major offensive in Falluja in November, there was concern some insurgents had fled to Mosul and would launch attacks from there. The military recently conducted an offensive against insurgents in Mosul, but the violence has continued.

Other developments

Tuesday's attack in Mosul came as British Prime Minister Tony Blair made an unscheduled visit to Baghdad. During a news conference with Iraqi interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, Blair called the insurgency "a battle between democracy and terror," in advance of Iraqi elections set for January 30.

Poland's prime minister and defense minister arrived in Iraq on Wednesday on a surprise visit to the country's troops, according to Poland's government. Prime Minister Marek Belka and Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski met with Iraq interim President Ayad Allawi, before heading to Diwaniya in southern Iraq, where Polish troops are based.

119 posted on 12/22/2004 9:20:17 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: CedarDave

Do troops come into the mess-hall armed?



They did when I was in.


162 posted on 12/22/2004 9:08:41 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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