Ukraine's Yushchenko Declares Victory

AP ^ | Dec. 26, 2004 | ALEKSANDAR VASOVIC

[ARCADIA]

It'll be civil war. The internationalists against the nationalists.

Are you talking about the US, Ukraine, or both?

[Tailgunner Joe]

It's the neo-con cabal. Just ask Justin Raimondo: "Yushchenko's Chalabi-esque tendency to spin some very tall tales is evidenced in his insistence that he was poisoned by some sinister conspiracy involving the pro-Yanukovich forces – darkly implying the KGB did it. This story has been trumpeted from here to Kingdom Come by the pro-Yushchenko Western media, but its ubiquity is reminiscent of the sort of open-mouthed credulity that accompanied Chalabi's lies about Iraqi WMD"

[Torie]

Justin is such a hunk isn't he? Actually, we had many civil conversations on this board, while agreeing on nothing, other than that Slobo tried to steal an election sometime back. I guess some are more univeralist about exoriating thiefs wherever found, than others. By the way, I got the leitmotif of your post. :)

[Tailgunner Joe]

It's also bunk that the "western" media is for Yushchenko. Check out all the anti-"western" commie propaganda from the Guardian (UK):
Ukraine's postmodern coup d'etat
Where the cold war never died
US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev
The revolution televised
The price of People Power

More from The Nation:
Ukraine's Untold Story

[Destro]

Yushchenko promises to withdraw the Ukrainian contingent from Iraq as soon as he is elected President. And Yanukovych only talks of cutting troops and only after the Iraqi election

[Torie]

I think the installation of the new Preident in Ukraine, and the Iraqi election, occur at about the same time. :)

[Tailgunner Joe]

Wow, a whole month's difference.

[Destro]

We shall see over Iraq - if he pulls troops out or not.

[Destro]

Yanukovych did keep his word - he promised not to close coal mines and sell off and close steel mills/coal mines and this has given the Ukraine prosperity. Just as the EU was telling Ukraine to close "unprofitable" industries and sell off those that do make a profit Yushchenko lost. Thanks to China's need for steel and Russia's booming economy the Ukraine saw a rebound in its economy linked to Russia. This the EU can not stand and will not allow to stand.

[K1avg]

We've been through this before. There are bigger things at stake here than when the sixteen hundred troops leave.

[Destro]

Wow good weasel point

[Destro]

Why should we as Americans have a stake? Why do we need to insert ourselves in everything everywhere? I am not surprised EU and Russia are fighting over the Ukraine. Poland has ethnic and religious kin there and Russia has the same with an even longer historical connection. Only hubris in this post Cold War world makes one think we Americans have a stake there. The Republic will not fall if the Ukraine will go closer to Russia or to the EU.

[Torie]

The majority have clearly spoken in a clearly honest election. I suggest you just let Ukranians work it out for themselves, as between themselves, and vis a vis the EU. My impression is that they are not fanactics on either side, and will manage, without your help or mine. Ths US policy is to just let democracy flower, not tolerate cheats, and more often than not, the result will be good.

[GarySpFc]

Yushchenko threatened to seize power if he loses the next election.

Confused? Sounds like Yanukovich to me: "That is why - no negotiations, if I lose - "harsh opposition" - he stated at a press conference at his Kiev headquarters. Yanukovych stated that his opponents will "learn what opposition really means"

Man o man are you ever the minister of disinformation. Here is the article where Yuschchenko threatened to seize power if he loses the second election. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1297714/posts

[bagman]

Yes, Yushchenko says he will withdraw the Ukrainian contingent from Iraq, yet President Bush supports his election. I think Bush's support demonstrates his commitment to the Bush Doctrine - Democracy must be supported and advanced at every opportunity, even at the expense of other important goals.

Best of luck to the Ukrainian people (from one who was there just a few days ago)

[Torie]

This June, 2004 article I think was a reference to a concern about vote fraud, a concern that proved more than justified:

as a result of the repeated voting during the second round, it will seize power in Ukraine by force.

[Tailgunner Joe]

America's mission in Iraq is not made or broken by the participation of our allies. We will prevail in Iraq with or without allies.