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You disagree that self-centered people should not have children or do you disagree that people who say their owne lives are too important to raise children are self-centered ?

And there is no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that child-free couples vote liberal.

You must have missed all the articles regarding the strongest indication of who voted for whom. Childless folks went for Kerry, while parents went for Bush.

Hi Ray-

"...Childless folks went for Kerry, while parents went for Bush..."

That is an aburd, broad-brush assessment. So, for whom did the gun-owning, pro-military, fiscally-conservative, anti-terrorist, YET childless people vote?

~ Blue Jays ~

My hubby and I don't not have any children, and this is deliberately by choice. We don't really care about other people's rash responses to that, and how others see us. The fact is that we lead very fulfilling lives and rationally understand that having offspring does not make one whole. We also realize that children can be rewarding if childrearing is approached in a realistic and rational way. It's just that we have no desire to take on that wonderful challenge. We prefer others. And just for the record, we both voted for Bush, because unlike wavering Kerry, he appeared to have more substance and we felt he was certainly the better candidate of the two. His views on abortion, homosexuality, etc are irrelevent to us, as long as we feel he would get the job done better than the other candidate. We don't belong to any groups, see them as a waste of productive time, (ANY group where folks unite for a common cause is counterproductive in our view). If there is a desire to make a difference, then start out by being the best individual one can be. As far as us being self-centered: Selfish yes, self-centered , no as we do not believe the world revolves around us.

Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing wrong with being selfish. It's a very good way to better yourself as a human being and as a result, others around you will benefit from it. Being selfish simply means looking after ones own needs and interests (being responsible for them, not placing the burden on others to fulfill them). Self-centeredness on the other hand, is the attitude that everything revolves around one, and believe me, there are countless people (parents as well as non-parents) that bask in self-centeredness.