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'India, China may outshine US by 2020'
timesofindia.indiatimes.com ^ | FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2005 10:44:02 PM | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 01/14/2005 10:28:02 AM PST by Destro

'India, China may outshine US by 2020'

CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2005 10:44:02 PM ]

WASHINGTON: The rise of China and India as global players is heralding an Asian Century in place of a receding American Century, a US intelligence report said on Thursday.

In a far reaching projection, the CIA-commissioned report compared the rise of the two Asian giants to the advent of a united Germany in the 19th century and a powerful United States in the 20th century, and said the event will transform the world's geopolitical landscape, with impacts potentially as dramatic as those in the previous two centuries.

"In the same way that commentators refer to the 1900s as the 'American Century,' the 21st century may be seen as the time when Asia, led by China and India, comes into its own," the report titled 'Mapping the Global Future,' observed. "A combination of sustained high economic growth, expanding military capabilities, and large populations will be at the root of the expected rapid rise in economic and political power for both countries."

The report is the third in a series of five-yearly forecasts of global trends published by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence analysts who report to the CIA director. The earlier reports were for 2010 and 2015. The forecasts for 2020 were based on consultations with more than 1,000 non-government experts at 30 conferences on five continents over the past year.

Expectedly, the 2005 report for the 2020 projection reflected the post 9/11 changes, but it also contained a degree of certitude not seen in the two previous studies, including a more upbeat assessment for India. "Barring an abrupt reversal of the process of globalization or any major upheavals in these countries, the rise of these new powers (China and India) is a virtual certainty," it predicted.

The report said while most forecasts indicate that by 2020 China's gross national product (GNP) will exceed that of individual Western economic powers except US India's GNP will have overtaken or be on the threshold of overtaking European economies. But the rise of India also will present strategic complications for the region, the report suggested. Like China, India will be an economic magnet for the region, and its rise will have an impact not only in Asia but also to the north-Central Asia, Iran, and other countries of the Middle East.

As India's economy grows, governments in Southeast Asia -- Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and other countries -- may move closer to India to help build a potential geopolitical counterweight to China, it said. At the same time, India will seek to strengthen its ties with countries in the region without excluding China.

Although the 114-page report is replete with references to the rise of China and India, it contended that despite daunting challenges "the United States will retain enormous advantages, playing a pivotal role across the broad range of issues --economic, technological, political and military --that no other state will match by 2020." But in several places in the report, the analysts conceded that the western world will see significant decline.

Dubbing China, India, and perhaps others such as Brazil and Indonesia, as 'arriviste' powers, the report said they "have the potential to render obsolete the old categories of East and West, North and South, aligned and nonaligned, developed and developing."

"Traditional geographic groupings will increasingly lose salience in international relations. A state-bound world and a world of mega-cities, linked by flows of telecommunications, trade and finance, will co-exist," it said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; geopolitics; globalism; india; trade
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To: indcons; Saberwielder

15 years ago if someone had said that in 15 years the US will run a 600Billion trade deficit Or that high end technology jobs would be rapidly moving to India... no one would believe that either. Chances are 15 years is a long time and can hold surprises.
Bangalore alone hires more computer programmers than silicon valley today. 15 years ago that number was next to nothing. A lot can change in 15 years..

I am NOT saying India is about to outshine the US. But considering that in the last 15 years India has come a long way and is firmly entrenched in a high growth phase with enormous job growth, it needs to be taken seriously.

Consider that the only reason the US is the worlds preeminent power is the sheer size of the economy. All other accomplishments of the US are the by product of the economy. As India and China grow their economies they will have resources to invest in R&D that they have NEVER had before. Thats not to say that its going to be easy but its very well within their realm.

A lot has been made in this forum about how these countries never produced anything on their own. Same arguments were made by europeans when the US was emerging as a big economy.
The question is not what they did in the past.. the question is what can they do in the future when they have resources that can rival the US? No country ever had that advantage in the 20th century. No country had a GDP as much as the US. Its quite wellknown that in the 21st century both India and China will be as big as the US. Of course we can debate the timeline.
The CIA is right in pointing out that these 2 countries seem to be in a position to create economies that rival the US. Who else can do that? europe? NO. Japan? No. Russia? NO

So we have to talk about the most likely suspects... India and China.


61 posted on 01/14/2005 8:24:28 PM PST by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: nikos1121

China is eventually going to have an aging problem much worse than that of the United States.


62 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:13 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
China is eventually going to have an aging problem much worse than that of the United States.

Aging problem ? Try a lack of wives problem. Eventually the Hordes of the East are going to come looking for war ... and wives.

63 posted on 01/14/2005 9:38:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Centurion2000

I was recently talking with a political scientist/researcher from Australia about the huge sex imbalance coming in China among between men and women ages 18-35, or so. I have seen numbers of a delta of close to 25 million more men than women.

He said, mostly, but not totally, in jest, that there would be a huge money making opportunity for the bold entrepreneur in gay bars over the next few years in China.

FYI, this is coming at a time when the People's Liberation Army is also trying to shed one million troops from its rolls in order to professionalize. The PLA is mostly a jobs program.

China could very well implode (not likely but a possibility) as demographic and natural resource pressures continue to strain their system.


64 posted on 01/14/2005 10:39:18 PM PST by A Simple Soldier
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To: indcons

Ah, have a heart, they want to improve themselves and want to dream. So they aim to one day be more America than America. If along the way they take our values (and goods!) all the better for us!


65 posted on 01/16/2005 3:37:13 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Centurion2000

OR, it could be the ultimate triumph of the Gay Liberation League......


66 posted on 01/16/2005 3:39:16 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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