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To: Finny
" I absolutely don't get how you can say that the teachings of Christ are not moral, but interesting just the same. Also: Does the sun revolve around the earth?"

I didn't say that the teachings of Christ are immoral, I said that Christ didn't teach morality. Morality is not the route to eternal life, that's man's idea (the lie again). Eternal life is only available to his elect, through the shedding of his blood at the cross.

What possible difference would the sun revolving around the earth make? Albert Einstein prepared a proof that geocentrism offered no consequences in general relativity.

"You ask me to believe that fossils are manufactured and planted by occultists? Are you asking me to believe also that the earth revolves around the sun?"

You are asking to debate a strawman. The fossils are the direct result of the death of most of the aquatic life on earth when "the fountains of the great deep" gushed up through the cracks in the earth's crust scalding them with super heated water. The events of the flood and the following 200 or 300 years account for the present condition of the earth.

"I don't understand how evolved species negate the teachings of Christ or the word of God as regards how humans should treat each other, or how it negates the Ten Commandments or the seven deadly sins. Your sentence, "The teachings of Christ were not 'moral'," makes zero sense to me."

The lie of evolution is a total denial of God's word. It is a negation of God's plan of salvation through his son, the 'kinsman redeemer' (read the book of Ruth). Seven deadly sins? All sin is deadly; the wages of sin is death, and eternal life is a gift from God to his elect, through the shed blood of his son. Christ made it clear that you cannot 'earn' your way to eternal life through moral behavior. Sin once and you are doomed; the price for one sin is eternity in hell, and that price will be required of all but those for whom the price was paid by their 'kinsman redeemer." There is no "code of moral behavior" proferred in God's word. God's word says that "there is none righteous, no not one." It says that our righteousness is as the bandages on the leper's lesions. That means that our righteousness is merely a covering on the fetid rot that lies in our hearts.

"Science doesn't seek to discern good and evil, it finds things like fossils and such and attempts to draw conclusions about the world around us."

There are some real, honest, objective researchers out there, and most of them have no difficulty asserting that there is no evidence that honestly supports 'evolution.' Even Steven Gould wrote that if evolution were true, life would be increasingly diverse, rather than decreasingly diverse (the 'cone of increasing diversity' called for in his book, Wonderful Life, but admitted not to exist at all). Men seek to explain how life could come to exist without God, not to explain how God did it; Gould admitted that many times.

For your mind to digest: If man evolved, when did he begin to be "in the image of God?" Can chimps claim eternal life? Were there 'primitive men' who are not to share in Christs death at the cross because they were not yet human? These issues are dealt with in the word, but you have to read it to get the answers. All the answers to all possible relevant questions are in the word, and if you want those answers you have to read and pray for them. Those who hate our Lord are not going to offer truth; they live by the lie of Genesis chapter 3 ("ye shall be as gods.")

79 posted on 01/25/2005 7:05:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor
My Scottish family crest bears the motto, "Dread God," and the older I get, the more I understand it! But YOU are ONE SCARY DUDE in more ways than one. So either you have never sinned, or you are destined for hell. I can tell you that if you are correct, I and everyone I know is destined for Hades!
80 posted on 01/26/2005 9:12:05 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh -- humbly ask you to excuse my reply -- I see that you're saying that one sin and we're destined for hell except via the Redeemer. I misread and misreplied.

You still have really said nothing to convince me of anything but the idea that you are contorting your mind, closing yourself off to alternative possibilities, and denying many things, in order to accommodate your narrow interpretation of the Bible. Again, the Bible is very, very confusing and contradictory and hard to understand, and for every person who reads it, there is a different interpretation of it. The printing press gave mankind the freedom and the option to read the Word each for himself, as opposed to days prior when those in power in the church interpreted it -- and enforced said interpretation -- on everyone. You are acting as if it's all very clear, cut and dried, when it is not. The only thing that, to me, is cut and dried in the bible is its advice on how to behave to each other and behave within a moral framework. That I feel confident that I understand fairly well, and I also know that anyone who, like yourself, claims to understand all of the Bible, is leading himself on.

81 posted on 01/26/2005 9:25:33 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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