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To: John Valentine
I suppose you are referring to the cost of supporting the retirees who have already had their money stolen and as a result are dependent on the Social Security handouts. If so, you need to be aware that this will cost us whatever it costs us, whether two, three, or four trillion dollars, and there is no escaping this expense.

Here is the issue. If everyone continues to pay, just like they always have, then per Cato Institute, we're $12 Trillion short. The reason why we're $12 Trillion short is that current contributions DON'T COVER current retirees - that's the gist of the SS problem. Now, if people DON'T continue to pay into the current system, but divert that same money to another account, then we're even MORE short because the money has been diverted! That will eventually be partially recouped when those who have diverted money eventually use it at retirement, but that will be much further down the road - NOT in the midst of the baby boomer retirement, which is the problem in the first place! Consequently, we have to cover the $12 Trillion PLUS the additional amounts ($50 Billion plus per year) in order to allow everyone to retire. My point is that the 'fix' doesn't actually fix the problem! We are still $12 Trillion in the hole!

The figures I used also assume that not everyone will opt for the accounts (unlikely) and that the program will be capped at $2000 per year (unknown at this point). If either of those two variables head toward the worst case scenario of ALL participants opt for accounts and/or ALL social security contributions may be diverted, then you're talking about a plan that would cause a HUGE deficit! Do you know, for a fact, what Congress would do with this plan when they get it?

NO ONE has suggested that those who have paid into the system should not receive retirement benefits when they retire. Sunsetting the plan any time soon would do exactly that because the government simply does not have the money to cover current and future retirees who have paid into the system without the social security tax to generate revenue. Social Security costs $500 Billion per year.

I would MUCH prefer to keep my own money rather than let the government squander it. However, the system was created before I was even born and it exists. Trying to kill it would be politically impossible. So, the only viable political solution is to fix it, including in a Republican controlled Congress. If they want to make private accounts a part of the fix, then they have to somehow fund the $12 Trillion shortfall IN ADDITION to whatever it costs to set up private accounts. That's a budget buster without tax increases.

What I'm TRYING to avoid is a fix that puts us deeper in red ink.

Yes, I would LOVE for them to balance the budget, but it seems they've forgotten how to do that and they resist every effort to make them do it.

87 posted on 01/25/2005 8:11:57 AM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: Middle-O-Road

What you don't seem to understand is that SS CAN'T be fixed.

It is a Ponzi scheme that has reached the end of its life. It must be allowed to sunset as the elderly die off. It may take 50 years, and if necessary these benefits have to be paid from the general fund. That's where the money needed to reedeem all those Treasuries will come from anyway. If it costs 12 Trillion, or 112 Trillion, it will cost what it will cost.

Neither your plan, my plan or indeed ANYONE's plan can avoid this unless we screw over my generation, retiring now and over the next ten years.

The important thing is to end the bleeding, and that can't possibly be accomplished with a "fix" as you call it.





93 posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:13 AM PST by John Valentine
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