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To: exnavychick
Don't you ever do (or not do) something, just because it "feels wrong", or because it's just innately abhorrent to you?

Often. In fact, usually. I attribute it to the holy spirit.

Don't you ever do something nice for someone without thinking about in the context of your faith or what you might get out of it?

I always try to do the right thing, I pray I would do it more often. I fall short.

What do you do?

Some things are just so obviously right or wrong that you don't need religion to know it, imo.

I never claimed you had to be religious to do right or wrong. Only that it makes no rational sense if there is no God. If I'm wrong, i'd like to hear an explanation as to why. So far, I get questions about myself, not answers from those who claim its possible.

133 posted on 01/26/2005 11:06:59 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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To: Protagoras

The point I was trying to make is that while you attribute your actions to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, others may do the exact same things and be able to do so independent of any religious context. You may believe differently...why can't they? You may not agree, but it doesn't make it illogical, necessarily, to believe you can do good without believing in God. It doesn't make sense to you, because you live your life with the Bible and faith in God as your guide. If something like that frames your interactions with others and the world, anything else can seem irrational by comparison. (As a side note, and not to accuse you of doing such...that kind of thing is also what can make it difficult for others to "put themselves in someone else's shoes". It's very hard to accomplish when you have a very different frame of reference.)

To answer your other question...yes, I do try to do the right thing, and yes, I too, fall short more often than I would like. I am a sinner, expected to sin, and so that is no surprise. I do try not to repeat my mistakes, so I hope that counts for something. I also believe that God made me so that I would find certain things to be innately wrong, and compel me to act accordingly. I also believe that God gave us free will, and included in that is the ability to reject Him. They may pay for it in the end, but I can accept and even understand why they cannot accept His existence. They don't call it faith for nothing:)


180 posted on 01/26/2005 11:27:05 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Protagoras
> Don't you ever do (or not do) something, just because it "feels wrong", or because it's just innately abhorrent to you?

Often. In fact, usually. I attribute it to the holy spirit.

Is this a recent change in your life? I've previously thought your beliefs were closer to those of the real Protagoras. (Does the fact that you did not capitalize "Holy Spirit" mean anything?)

268 posted on 01/26/2005 12:07:34 PM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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