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To: mugs99
The Christians were all tyrants doing the King's biding ? LOL

Washington University Professor of Sociology and Comparative Religion Rodney Stark used Church records and Census data to come up with his findings. His book, "The Churching of America" based the 17% figure on narrowly defined data of church attendance. Stark is an atheist and I find this source cited a lot on atheism websites.

"Church membership" is a very iffy proxy for belief, particularly early on in America when it was difficult for many to get to church. But "membership" is not the issue. Belief is>

614 posted on 01/27/2005 12:06:57 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: Selkie

""Church membership" is a very iffy proxy for belief, particularly early on in America when it was difficult for many to get to church."

That's very true. Nominal Christians are in much higher numbers than are recorded in church membership records.

I remember the morning, while I was just starting USAF Basic Training, that we were asked our religious affiliations, for the purpose of making our dogtags. A few recruits had a ready answer. Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, or, in my case, atheist. Many, however, didn't know what to answer.

The drill sergeant, in his drill sergeantly way, said to the confused ones, "Are you a Catholic or a Jew?" When they answered in the negative, he told them they were Protestants, and that's what got inscribed on their dogtags.

Were those recruits Christians? Perhaps, in a nominal sort of way, but they were classified as Protestants in any case, and counted among the Christians in the USAF.

My declaration of atheism was another matter, altogether. I finally got it on my dogtags, but it was a battle, I'll tell you. I may even have set some sort of precedent back in 1965. Now, it's no problem. The military even has a symbol for atheism.

My point is that many people call themselves Christians by default, and that may well have been true back in the early day of our nation. It's impossible to say.

I know this, though: If every church in every community were absolutely full every Sunday morning, attendees would represent a small minority of the population. The rest are nominal Christians. If you ask them if they are Christians, they'll probably say yes. If you dig a little deeper, you'll discover that they are only nominal Christians, who give little thought to that name.


618 posted on 01/27/2005 12:17:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Selkie
The Christians were all tyrants doing the King's biding ? LOL

No, you tried to use your family history to show that America was Christian. My family history would show just the opposite. You make a big deal of your ancestors coming here in 1705. I can play that silly game too. My European ancestors were Dutch seamen and trappers who were in America ten years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. All any of this proves is that the best of our roots lie buried in the ground. We have no bigger claim on America than anyone else.

Stark is an atheist and I find this source cited a lot on atheism websites.

Stark is the author of Victories Of Reason: How Christianity Freedom And Capitalism Led To Western Success, and I find this source quoted on many Christian websites. He credits Christianity and capitalism for our success.

You guys are quick to quote him as a Christian defender of the faith when he praises Christianity, yet you'll call him an Atheist when he dares to use fact you don't like.

America when it was difficult for many to get to church. But "membership" is not the issue. Belief is

You're grasping at straws. The issue is whether America is a Christian country. It is not. Many of our founders wrote of their dislike of Christianity. That is history.
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722 posted on 01/27/2005 2:44:11 PM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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