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Microsoft: Legit Windows or no updates
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Posted on 01/26/2005 1:59:43 PM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: mpreston
Half-Life II uses the next generation physics engine. Next generation simulation applications will begin to incorporate similar sophisticated engines. The top 7 systems use 2+GHz AMD processors while the bottom 7 systems use 3+GHz Intel processors.

I run AMD chips in my machines - just got an Athlon 64 3400+ system - I like it.

What is your point?

BTW: I just got back into PC gaming with my new machine - was thinking of getting Half-Life II but all the bad talk about the Stream system connection has scared me off - what is your option?

401 posted on 01/27/2005 10:43:49 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Paleo Conservative
If your laptop was built in the last year, it probably does have USB2. Mine is a little older, but I don't really need a new one yet. I need my CardBus slots for other devices than a USB2 card.

I was talking USB, not USB 2. My three year old ThinkPad has USB but not USB 2 - I think I now understand your point (my bad). Like I said, I was just asking questions about FireWire - I was not claiming anything was better than anything else.

402 posted on 01/27/2005 10:47:57 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: 1LongTimeLurker
Great. The new Mini-Mac is "cheaper" than the Dell.

Now what if I want to upgrade my harddrive, add more memory, add an additional CDROM, change my graphics card to the latest "whiz-bang" version, add a memory stick reader, install a tape drive, upgrade the sound card, add additional USB/Firewire ports, etc., etc.? I have to pay Apple a king's ransom for the upgrade stuff (not to mention the prices Apple charges for operating systems and software.)

First cost isn't the only consideration.

403 posted on 01/27/2005 10:48:29 AM PST by been_lurking
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To: been_lurking
Now what if I want to upgrade my harddrive, add more memory, add an additional CDROM, change my graphics card to the latest "whiz-bang" version, add a memory stick reader, install a tape drive, upgrade the sound card, add additional USB/Firewire ports, etc., etc.? I have to pay Apple a king's ransom for the upgrade stuff (not to mention the prices Apple charges for operating systems and software.)

I think that whatever computer you plan to buy, if you are going to be making all those upgrades you probably are wasting your money. Either get a new machine, or buy what you need up front. In most cases it doesn't make good financial sense to perform massive upgrades on an older machine.

Also, keep in mind that both the cheap dells and the cheap Macs are focused on the consumer market, in which case most buyers rarely if ever upgrade their systems.

404 posted on 01/27/2005 10:51:29 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: bgnn32
I wasn't the one who said it was the user's fault...

No that was in response to another poster on the thread who implied that the programs are failing solely because of the user.

...but the best all around O/S on the market right now is Windows XP Pro,

That's what I'm using in conjunction with 98SE and it's a terrific setup. They compliment each other terrifically and are in my opinion the best of their class... 98SE for the 9x series and XP with NT.

405 posted on 01/27/2005 10:51:35 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: been_lurking
Great. The new Mini-Mac is "cheaper" than the Dell. Now what if I want to upgrade my harddrive, add more memory, add an additional CDROM, change my graphics card to the latest "whiz-bang" version, add a memory stick reader, install a tape drive, upgrade the sound card, add additional USB/Firewire ports, etc., etc.? I have to pay Apple a king's ransom for the upgrade stuff (not to mention the prices Apple charges for operating systems and software.)

First off - the Dell is cheaper.

Second, the Mini Mac is pretty much a desposible appliance (like the IPOD). Buy it - play with it - throw it away.

Now really - who would ever need to upgrade a Mac Mini? Who would ever need more than 236 MB of RAM or 40 GB of hard disk (that runs at the yesterday's news speed of 5400 RPM) or a video card with more than 32MB of memory? How could any computer user ever need that extreme amount of computing power....

406 posted on 01/27/2005 10:58:22 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Second, the Mini Mac is pretty much a desposible appliance (like the IPOD). Buy it - play with it - throw it away.

Make that a disposable appliance

407 posted on 01/27/2005 11:01:17 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: fo0hzy
Linux has a looooong way to go.

Actually, it's a lot closer than many people think. The problem is "familiarity."

It seems that many people have a pretty short memory: Change is always disruptive. I remember hearing people complaining when they were required to switch from DOS/MS-Windows 3.x to Win95. Things were even worse in the OS/2 and NT worlds.

While people complain that "Linux isn't Windows," the only applicable response should be, "Well DUH!"

Linux is terrific for people who have never worked with computers before, since they don't have to "unlearn" anything, just like they had to do when switching from one OS to another.

Mark

408 posted on 01/27/2005 11:06:01 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: Sea Mac
By the Way: Knoppix is up to 3.7 and it's going into EVERY X386 box I get my Hands on!!

It wouldn't pickup the network card on my x86 box. Tried several times. Oh well.

409 posted on 01/27/2005 11:09:46 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Gas?)
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To: Last Visible Dog

I just thought of something - are you using XP Home edition?

Yeah, using home edition.

The problem, which can occur by itself, can be provoked by turning on the tower BEFORE turning on the MOTU rack unit (connected to the tower via PCI} Do that and it is all over. Windows WILL NOT be able to see the drivers right there in the same registrey. Windows CANNOT be pointed to the drivers by ANY means.

I suspect that if I build a system ASUS/P4 mobo etc it will work but I know if I get a Mac it WILL work. Windows XP is so different from 98 in this respect that I've lost confidence in the OS for PRO Audio. My Gina 20 on my 98 machine is STILL up and runnung without ANY driver updates or installs since the original in 1999.

In the 98 machine if you don't turn on a peripherial before the towere you just restart and it is recognized. With XP It is forever gone untill you reinstall the whole OS system

By the way, if you uninstall the MOTU and reinstall the drivers then plug the PCI card back in and restart the tower the card will work until you turn off the tower. When you turn it on again it will show new hardware (the MOTU) ask for the drivers but will say that the drivers aren't where you pointed (drive D\CD)and that the hardware won't work.


410 posted on 01/27/2005 11:54:07 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

Um.... No.

Installing peripherials in XP is quite easy, if it dosen't install the drivers you want then you just go to the device manager and change the drivers not that hard.


411 posted on 01/27/2005 12:50:06 PM PST by bgnn32
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To: Poser
"Surely you jest. No."

Yes. The Mac mini is not aimed at people who've never used a computer before. The reason it doesn't come with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor is because it's aimed at people who already have a PC, and either want to try OS X out or want to get away from Windows. The price gives them no excuse.

"Home computer users want to run PC games and they definitely want a mouse, keyboard and monitor."

I really doubt Grandma wants to play Max Payne 2. Solitaire, maybe. You're overestimating the scope of what most people want to do with their computers: check email, surf the web, browse photo albums. If someone is upgrading, the Mac mini is a great upgrade for them. Of course it's going to cost more when you buy a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. The people who are going to buy the Mac mini already have those.
412 posted on 01/27/2005 3:05:57 PM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Poser

Oh, and yes, the Mac mini comes with Bluetooth or AirPort Extreme--you pick.


413 posted on 01/27/2005 3:07:05 PM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: wildbill

No problem.


414 posted on 01/27/2005 3:09:27 PM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: bgnn32

"....if it dosen't install the drivers you want then you just go to the device manager and change the drivers...."

Won't work. You must uninstall the software and hardware, reinstall the software restart with hardware back in. Will work until tower shut off then drivers will be lost and NOTHING will point the OS to the drivers, (which are where they always were.)

Complete reinstall of OS and programs will work for days or months until OS "loses" the drivers for reasons known but to God.

One day I'll just turn it on and it won't find the MOTU drivers.


415 posted on 01/27/2005 3:18:08 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

I had a modem like that, periodically Windows would just forget what it was. Luckily if I reinstalled the drivers it would be OK again, so I kept my old modem in the computer for the soul purpose of downloading the latest version of those drivers whenever Windows lost the faster one.

Plug and play gets a little wierd sometimes.


416 posted on 01/27/2005 3:21:13 PM PST by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: TalBlack

I would guess then that that piece of hardware is not fully Windows compatible, have you checked Microsoft's HCL?


417 posted on 01/27/2005 8:41:05 PM PST by bgnn32
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To: MarkL

Linux has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go.

DOS/MS OS/2 C:\bleh

Gimme buttons. It's what my family wants, and I'm sick of the Linux command-line dependency.

Who needs it, honestly? GEEKS!!!!

It's like smokers who still demand non-filtered Lucky Strikes.


418 posted on 02/01/2005 7:55:53 PM PST by fo0hzy
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To: fo0hzy
Honestly, is this some sort of competition? Macs are just as good as PC's. They have certain advantages, over PC's, just as PC's have advantages over Macs. the new MacMini looks interesting. might i point out the fact that you payed $930 dollars for your Dell, with a keyboard, monitor and mouse?lets add up the Mac Mini:
$499 basic Mac Mini
$75 good wireless, usb logitech keyboard and mouse.
$150 19" flat screen(not to be confused with LCD) monitor
and, theres even enough room for a pair of Harmon Kardon soundsticks within your budget $150
or you can just get an LCD monitor.

Not only this, but you get an OS without any known viruses (newest version, panther) rock solid (based on UNIX for god sakes -- for those of you who don't know, UNIX has been in development since the 70's) a complete software collection that comes with the OS, including a photo organizer (iPhoto), a movie editor (iMovie), a calendar program (iCal), useful things called sticky notes, a better desktop organization system than anything in windows (Expose) the ability to run open source software while using a commercially supported operating system. Guess what, I don't see this coming from Dell anytime soon. jeesus, I don;t even OWN a mac, I'm on my quaint little 3200+ Athlon 64 and i can still see reasons why I like apple as much if not more than my PC. Look, i like my PC because i am able to customize it the way i like, I built it myself, i like that. for ppl who buy their PCs prebuilt, there really is no reason for a PC to be favored. I would suggest that you really think about what you said at the end of your little post. you could actually be right.
419 posted on 02/08/2005 6:20:02 PM PST by ColiverHB
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