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Liberal Columnist: What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?
Chicagi Sun-Times ^ | Feb. 1, 2005 | Mark Brown

Posted on 02/01/2005 4:39:35 PM PST by katman

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21 posted on 02/01/2005 5:05:07 PM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: katman
There are people who opposed the war because they truely thought it was a bad idea and I've always respected them.

And there are people who expressed stridant opposition even though if it were Clinton in office they would have been the shouting the loudest hallelujahs. I cannot express the loathing I feel for them.

22 posted on 02/01/2005 5:10:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: mainepatsfan

"Does history record any case in which the majority was right?" --Heinlein


23 posted on 02/01/2005 5:10:38 PM PST by AntiBurr ("Those who cannot remember the past are destined to repeat it" Santayana)
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To: katman

At least this guy has enough guts to admit he was wrong and Bush was right. I give him that much.


24 posted on 02/01/2005 5:13:39 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: katman
For those who've been in the same boat with me, we don't need to concede the point just yet. There's a long way to go. But I think we have to face the possibility.

Color me skeptical.

I fully expect even thinking libs will play the game of passive loathing of the President -- hoping that even minor setbacks in Iraq will result in some sort of political advantage for the left. What have they got to lose? If Iraq collapses then they get to say, "See, I told you so," but if successes in Iraq continue, they can always maintain one dodge or another.

25 posted on 02/01/2005 5:14:30 PM PST by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: katman
It's simply reached the point where liberals who are not outright socialists - that is, the majority, I hope - have been confronted with the fact that one set of ideals, the "war is always wrong" ones, is in indisputable conflict with another set, the "freedom and democracy" ones. It is extremely difficult for idealists to deal with the real-world fact that they can't have them all, and that choosing one set means that the other is rejected.

What inevitably happens is that one in denial of this will twist facts around so that all ideals may be simultaneously satisfied, that is, that there was a practical course of action that did not involve violence that would have served freedom and democracy as well. This is why so many of them insisted that sanctions and negotiation would have produced the same result despite clear evidence that they had not and would not. Many European theorists are not so hampered because they aren't so enamored of the "freedom and democracy" ideals themselves, that the latter are merely convenient abstractions with which to flog those who really do believe in them with the accusation of hypocrisy. Those people may be safely ignored. The rest should be cultivated. Rigorous examination of ideals in the fact of their practical results takes an intellectual toughness that not everyone possesses.

26 posted on 02/01/2005 5:23:20 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

"fact" = "face" Spellchecking won't help you now, Drill...


27 posted on 02/01/2005 5:24:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: ladiesview61
We could finally see signs that a majority of the Iraqi people perceive something to be gained from this brave new world we are forcing on them.

No, we are giving humanitarian aid to freedom fighters by enforcing justice and defending America. How do you "impose" freedom on hostages?

This is obvious absurdity, as C.S. Lewis put it in The Abolition of Man. Many people have been indocrinated by LIEberals during this American Education Crisis, as you can see from the above quote. It is difficult for many to deal with the fact that they have been defrauded in a way worse than an Enron scam, and on a larger scale and with deeper consequences. It's like the economic Great Depression, this poverty of reason.

28 posted on 02/01/2005 5:37:59 PM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: katman
We're not "forcing" freedom on the Iraqis. Freedom is the natural condition of man and the aspiration of human nature. Its as universal as all the other facets of our existence. As a liberal, Mark Brown sorts of opens his eyes half way and almost sees the real picture. "Almost." Its still amazing a liberal would consider voting Republican in 2008. We're witnessing the Left imploding. Now that's progress - more good news than our friends on the other side of the aisle are equipped to handle.

Denny Crane: "I want two things. First God and then Fox News."

29 posted on 02/01/2005 5:41:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: katman

“...freedom really may mean something to the Iraqi people...”
You really think so?

“What if it turns out Bush was right, and we were wrong?”
Is that actually possible?

“Maybe the United States really can...”
Would that count as a miracle?

“Obviously, I'm still curious to see if Bush is willing to allow the Iraqis to install a government that is free...”
Obviously, you still think Bush lies.

I think the real message is: My writing career will probably do a lot better if I’m on the winning side, and it’s starting to look like I’m not.


30 posted on 02/01/2005 5:42:41 PM PST by polymuser
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To: ken21; pookie18; Mr. Silverback

31 posted on 02/01/2005 5:44:11 PM PST by ErnBatavia (ErnBatavia, Boxer, Pelosi, Thomas...the ultimate nightmare Menage a Quatro)
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To: goldstategop

One more thing, please..a link to the DU thread on this column..


32 posted on 02/01/2005 5:46:28 PM PST by ken5050
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To: ErnBatavia

no dissing here.

i couldn't believe ted's remarks during the fight with al sadr's people.

the stuff kennedy said one day was repeated the next by al sadr on al jazzera.


33 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:47 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: ErnBatavia
Thanks...will rerun in Today's Toons 2/2/05.


34 posted on 02/01/2005 5:51:34 PM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: katman

This is amazing.
The truth hurts huh Dems.


35 posted on 02/01/2005 5:53:54 PM PST by jinkagrl ("I am shocked! ... Sort of." ~Rumsfeld)
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To: Billthedrill

good essay though


36 posted on 02/01/2005 5:54:41 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: Sirc_Valence
poverty of reason

Reason and Logic are tools of the White Male Oppressor.

37 posted on 02/01/2005 5:55:59 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: katman

A large % of the "left" are clueless fools. The rest are commies. The left has alwas known Bush was right. Their bit-h is that they aren't the ones running things and handling the dollar$. All their editorializing" is smoke and mirrors to cover their trail.


38 posted on 02/01/2005 6:00:19 PM PST by Waco
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To: katman
What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?
  Posted by JCRoberts
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39 posted on 02/01/2005 6:11:41 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: polymuser
My writing career will probably do a lot better if I’m on the winning side, and it’s starting to look like I’m not.

The last gasp of the MSM reporters/Hollywood out of work actors/politicians in general.

40 posted on 02/01/2005 6:34:14 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (sH)
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