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Muslim Apostates Cast Out and at Risk from Faith and Family
The Times [UK] ^ | February 5, 2005 | Anthony Browne

Posted on 02/04/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by quidnunc

While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder

The first brick was thrown through the sitting room window at one in the morning, waking Nissar Hussein, his wife and five children with a terrifying start. The second brick went through his car window.

It was a shock, but hardly a surprise. The week before, another brick had been thrown through the window as the family were preparing for bed in their Bradford home. The victim of a three-year campaign of religious hatred, Mr Hussein’s car has also been rammed and torched, and the steps to his home have been strewn with rubbish.

He and his family have been regularly jostled, abused, attacked, shouted at to move out of the area, and given death threats in the street. His wife has been held hostage inside their home for two hours by a mob. His car, walls and windows have been daubed in graffiti: “Christian bastard”.

The problem isn’t so much what Mr Hussein, whose parents came from Pakistan, believes, but what he doesn’t believe. Born into Islam, he converted eight years ago to Christianity, and his wife, also from Pakistan, followed suit.

While those who convert to Islam, such as Cat Stevens, Jemima Khan, and the sons of the Frank Dobson, the former Health Secretary, and Lord Birt, the former BBC Director-General, can publicly celebrate their new religion, those whose faith goes in the other direction face persecution. Mr Hussein, a 39-year-old hospital nurse in Bradford, is one of a growing number of former Muslims in Britain who face not just being shunned by family and community, but attacked, kidnapped, and in some cases killed.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: christians; convert; islam; persecution

1 posted on 02/04/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Islam, muslim, moslum, etc. ad nausium is a death cult. Nothing more, nothing less.


2 posted on 02/04/2005 5:38:04 PM PST by exnavy (lead, follow or get out of the way)
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To: quidnunc
Man, that 'Religion of Peace' is something, ain't it?


3 posted on 02/04/2005 5:38:06 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: quidnunc
I can feel the love, can't you? What a great religion of peace. Imagine what the outrage would be if we were tagging their houses with "muslim b@stards" epithets.
4 posted on 02/04/2005 5:39:31 PM PST by pipecorp (I am, therefore, I think...so, what happens when I'm done thinking ?)
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To: quidnunc

In any Muslim country, the whole family would already be dead and the neighbors would be cheering their killers. In England, it's only a matter of time. And it's coming to America, too, as soon as the numbers are high enough.


5 posted on 02/04/2005 5:40:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: quidnunc

Muhammed Al-Ignatz strikes again.


6 posted on 02/04/2005 5:45:32 PM PST by Riley
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To: quidnunc
Islam the religion of Peace
7 posted on 02/04/2005 5:47:52 PM PST by mammer
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To: Cicero

My former father-in-law (may he rest in peace) converted from Islam to Christianity as a teenager decades ago in what was then British India. Had to flee all the way across the country. His relatives would still write him from time to time volunteering to kill him.


8 posted on 02/04/2005 5:50:28 PM PST by dirtboy (qu)
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To: quidnunc
The action is pretty clear to me what they are required to do. What part of the following is ambiguous or open to interpretation. What part of kill the apostate would you have trouble with? - tom

Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #37
"Narrated Abu Qilaba: Once Umar bin Abdul Aziz sat on his throne in the courtyard of his house so that the people might gather before him....He replied "By Allah, Allah's messenger never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: 1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) 2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and, 3) a man who fought against Allah and His messenger, and deserted Islam and became an apostate....

In Chapter 2, from "The Book of obliging the Reverters from Islam, page 42, (following Hadith #56) it reads: "The legal regulation concerning the male and the female who reverts from Islam (apostates). Ibn Umar Az-Zuhri and Ibrahim said, "A female apostate (who reverts from Islam), should be killed. And the obliging of the reverts from Islam to repent Allah said - ....

Bukhari, volume 9, #57
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58
Narrated Abu Bruda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and hen reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

Bukhari, volume 9, #64
Narrated Ali, "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's messenger, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky, than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you, (not a Hadith), then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, ‘During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.’"
Bukhari, volume 9, #271 [This one is similar to #58]
Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Muadh Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam, and then reverted back to Judaism." Muadh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His messenger."

Bukhari, Chapter 26, from the Book of Mutual Consultation, page 339, following Hadith # 461
"The Statement of Allah... 42:32, 3:159, ...The prophet said, "If someone changes his religion, then kill them....."

10 posted on 02/04/2005 6:09:47 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Cicero

"And it's coming to America, too, as soon as the numbers are high enough."

THIS, THIS is the reason we need to END immigration from Muslim countries.

THIS is the reason we need immigration moratorium.

This may indeed be the reason we will need to amend the constitution. Islam may need to be outlawed in the US.


11 posted on 02/04/2005 6:13:47 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: John_Wheatley
Why did Bush say Islam is peace when he should have told the truth?

He was too busy killing them.

12 posted on 02/04/2005 6:28:09 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: quidnunc

"Christians who turned to Islam" were generally Christian in name only, having grown up in Christian nations. They were lured to Islam by Satan himself, aided and abetted by legions of demons.


13 posted on 02/04/2005 6:42:46 PM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: quidnunc

Islam is like the Hotel California. You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.......


14 posted on 02/04/2005 6:47:34 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: quidnunc
Leaving Islam is pretty much the most serious bad thing you can do if you're Muslim. Once you're in the 'perfect religion' you would completely call everything in their world a lie by finding a more perfect religion.

And now for a show tune from West Side Story that I like a lot. It would probably be a hit in the mosque...maybe that's what those tower prayer guys are singing.

When you're a Jet,
You're a Jet all the way
From your first cigarette
To your last dyin' day.

When you're a Jet,
If the spit hits the fan,
You got brothers around,
You're a family man!

You're never alone,
You're never disconnected!
You're home with your own:
When company's expected,
You're well protected!

Then you are set
With a capital J,
Which you'll never forget
Till they cart you away.
When you're a Jet,
You stay a Jet!

15 posted on 02/04/2005 6:51:06 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

It sounds more like "The Roach Motel".


16 posted on 02/04/2005 6:56:27 PM PST by SmithW6079
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To: John_Wheatley

Playing to the masses.......There is more to what is going on..


17 posted on 02/04/2005 7:28:29 PM PST by southronbtgoG (If I knew everything , I'd be ,,,well I don't come close)
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To: quidnunc

The number of people who leave Islam is greater than the number who willingly convert to it. Of those naively converting, I wonder how many remain in Islam once they get the full brunt of it's charming pleasantness.


18 posted on 02/04/2005 7:43:03 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: ValenB4

19 posted on 02/04/2005 7:57:44 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: quidnunc

There is even a secret underground network to support and protect those who leave Islam. One estimate suggests that as many as 15 per cent of Muslims in Western societies have lost their faith, which would mean that in Britain there are about 200,000 apostates.

For police, religious authorities and politicians, it is an issue so sensitive that they are accused by victims of refusing to respond to appeals for help. It is a problem that, with the crisis of identity in Islam since September 11, seems to be getting worse as Muslims feel more threatened.

Muslims who lose their faith face execution or imprisonment, in line with traditional Muslim teaching, in many Islamic countries, including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and Yemen. In the Netherlands, the former Muslim MP Ayan Hirsi Ali had to go into hiding after renouncing her faith on television.

The Prince of Wales recently held a meeting with religious leaders to consider ways to stop former Muslims being persecuted in other countries, but Britain itself is also affected.

Mr Hussein told The Times: “It’s been absolutely appalling. This is England — where I was born and raised. You would never imagine Christians would suffer in such a way.”

The police have not charged anyone, but told him to leave the area. “We feel completely isolated, utterly helpless. I have been utterly failed by the authorities. If it was white racists attacking an Asian guy, there would be an absolute outcry,” he said. “They are trying to ethnically cleanse me out of my home. I feel I have to make a stand as an Asian Christian.”

Yasmin, who was raised in the North of England, has been forced out of her town once, and is now trying to resist being chased out again. Brought up in a Muslim family, she converted after having a vision of Jesus when she gave birth to her youngest son, and was baptised in her thirties.. “My family completely disowned me. They thought I had committed the biggest sin — I was born a Muslim, and so I must die a Muslim. When my husband found out, he totally disowned my sons. One friend tried to strangle me when I told him I was converting,” she said.

“We had bricks though our windows, I was spat at in the street because they thought I was dishonouring Islam. We had to call the police so many times. I had to go to court to get an injunction against my husband because he was inciting others to attack me.”

She fled to another part of Britain, but the attacks soon started again as locals found out about her. “I wasn’t going to leave again,” she said, adding that it was the double standards of her attackers that made her most angry. “They are such hypocrites — they want us to be tolerant of everything they want, but they are intolerant of everything about us.”

With other converts, Yasmin has helped to set up a series of support groups across England, who have adopted a method of operating normally associated with dissidents in dictatorships, not democracies. They not only have to meet in secret, but cannot advertise their services, and have to vet those that approach them for infiltrators.

“There are so many who convert from Islam to Christianity. We have 70 people on our list who we support, and the list is growing. We don’t want others to suffer like we have,” she said.

Although some are beaten “black and blue” for their faith, others suffer even more. The family of an 18-year-old girl whomYasmin was helping found that she had been hiding a Bible in her room, and visiting church secretly. “I tried to do as much as possible to help her, but they took her to Pakistan ‘on holiday’. Three weeks later, she was drowned — they said that she went out in the middle of the night and slipped in the river, but she just wouldn ’t have done that,” said Yasmin.
Ruth, also of Pakistani origin, found out recently that she had only just escaped being murdered. When she told her family that she had converted, they kept her locked inside the family home all summer.



“They were afraid I would meet some Christians. My brother was aggressive, and even hit me — I later found out he wanted me dead,” she said. A family friend had suggested taking her to Pakistan to kill her, and her brother put the idea to her mother, who ruled against it. “You are very isolated and very alone. But now, my brother is thinking about changing and a cousin has made a commitment to Christianity.”

Noor, from the Midlands, was brought up a Muslim but converted to Christianity at 21. “Telling my father was the most difficult thing I have ever done. I thought he would kill me on the spot, but he just went into a state of shock,” she said. He ended up almost kidnapping her.

“He took drastic actions — he took the family to Pakistan, to a secluded village with no roads to it. He kept us there for many years, putting pressure on me to leave my Christian faith. I endured mental and emotional suffering that most humans never reach,” she said. Eventually, her father realised that he could not shake her faith, and released her with strict conditions. “In desperation, my father threatened to take my life. If someone converts, it is a must for family honour to bring them back to Islam, if not, to kill them.”

Imams in Britain sometimes call on the apostates to be killed if they criticise their former religion. Anwar Sheikh, a former mosque teacher from Pakistan, became an atheist after coming to Britain, and now lives with a special alarm in his house in Cardiff after criticising Islam in a series of hardline books.

“I’ve had 18 fatwas against me. They telephone me — they aren’t foolhardy enough to put it in writing. I had a call a couple of weeks ago. They mean repent or be hanged,” he said. “What I have written, I believe and I will not take it back. I will suffer the consequences. If that is the price, I will pay it.”

The most high-profile British apostate is Ibn Warraq, a Pakistani-born intellectual and former teacher from London, who lost his faith after the Salman Rushdie affair and set out his reasons in the book Why I am not a Muslim.

He recently edited the book Leaving Islam, but finds it hard to explain the hostility. “It’s very strange. Even the most liberal Muslim can become incredibly fierce if you criticise Islam, or, horror of horrors, leave it.”

He himself has taken the precaution of using only a pseudonym, and lives incognito in mainland Europe. He thinks that Islamic apostasy is common. “In Western societies, it is probably 10-15 per cent. It’s very difficult to tell, because people don’t admit it.”

Patrick Sookhdeo, director of the Barnabas Trust, which helps persecuted Christians around the world, said that it was finding increasing work in Britain: “It’s a growing problem. Today, conversion is seen as linked to Bush trying to convert the world — democratisation is confused with evangelism.

“The difficulty in Britain is the growing alienation between the minority Muslim communities and the mainstream Christian one. Christian mission work in inner cities is seen as an assault,” Dr Sookhdeo said. “We are only asking that freedom of religion should be applicable to everyone of every faith.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584_2,00.html


20 posted on 02/05/2005 4:09:34 AM PST by underlying
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To: underlying

Wars are never won by playing defense. To win, you must go on the offensive. Muslim converts should have safe places to live in Christian areas -- places where Muslim attempts at harassment would be met by force from the whole neighborhood


21 posted on 02/05/2005 8:23:31 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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