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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Ichneumon
Okay, okay. I just have to finish filling out the survey form.

So based on your response in #37 should we mark you down as "Undecided" or "Ambivalent"?

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;-P

221 posted on 02/08/2005 7:42:57 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: KC Burke

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.


222 posted on 02/08/2005 7:44:42 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: longshadow

Festival of creationoid hysteria placemarker.


223 posted on 02/08/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: HankReardon

I don't doubt that there is debate on the topic among biologists. This sort of wrestling is what science is all about.

However, I am intrigued by the idea that the existance of the domesticated dog is somehow evidence for the fixity of species and a disproval of evolutionary theory. Here we have an animal which, though similar to wolves, has obvious physical and tempermental differences from wolves. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that contemporary dogs were bred from wolves. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that over several thousand years time men molded wolves into what we wanted them to be. Since these traits are determined genetically, it stands to reason that we have changed their genes over time. In my opinion the existance of domesticated animals supports the ideas that the forms animals take are *not* fixed, but instead can and do change over time. Were this not the case, wolves would have remained wolves and not have been bred into dogs, aurochs would not have been bred into cows, grass would not have been bred into wheat, and strains of streptococcus and gonorrhea bacteria would not have been bred (unintentionally) into penicillin-resistant varieties.


224 posted on 02/08/2005 7:47:40 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: jps098
Your post says " even a bit of lost overlap."

Yes -- which part were you having trouble understanding?

When you can repackage the chromosomes in a lab and create a new species,

Define "new species" as you are using it in this sentence.

or prove this by showing the world a current day mutation creating a permanent species, then I'll believe it.

Why "current day"? And define "a permanent species" -- as opposed to what, the temporary kind?

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Until then, you are just speculating.

No, actually, I'm not. But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that.

You, however *are* merely speculating, since you are forming your opinion without even a superficial knowledge of the vast amount of evidence which is available on this subject.

Come on, son, take me up on my challenge in the earlier post -- if the vast amounts of evidence accumulated on this topic of biology (a tiny fraction of which is presented in that post, but it'll take you *months* to read just that tip of the iceberg) *isn't* actually the overwhelming support for evolutionary common descent that it certainly appears to be, then *where* exactly have all those myriads of biologists been mistaken, *what* actually explains the full body of evidence better, and *why* would your non-evolutionary alternative explanation end up "accidentally" causing all that evidence to only *look* like ironclad evidence for evolution?

Answer the question. Now.

Or admit that you're "just speculating" and don't really have any idea what in the hell you're talking about.

225 posted on 02/08/2005 7:50:01 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: HankReardon
What species will human kind become? Evolution works both ways, don't just look to the past, look to the future. What will the squirrel become? What will the bald eagle become?

What I don't understand is, after the dinosaurs were wiped out, why didn't evolution make some more of them. Or is that in the works and we just have not waited long enough. Or, did evolution 'decide' to make some different stuff this time around.

226 posted on 02/08/2005 7:50:22 AM PST by houeto ("President Bush, close our borders now!")
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To: Liberal Classic

Are wolves and dogs the same species? Yes or no?


227 posted on 02/08/2005 7:52:32 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: houeto

Yeah right! And if life began in the primordial soup billions of years ago has it happened again since? was this just a one time thing?


228 posted on 02/08/2005 7:54:11 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon; PatrickHenry
What prompted the ape to speciate,

One of the key events seems to have been a point mutation in the FOXP2 gene.

229 posted on 02/08/2005 7:54:42 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
No, you KEEP MISSING IT!!

they SAID FOR YEARS THAT A HIPPO LIKE CREATURE WENT BACK INTO THEW WATER

Then that hippo like creature developed gills, balleen, ability to swim not sink

THEN, that same animal, after a billion years, came out of the water and became elephants or bears or whatever

NOW, this article says that whatever went into the water from land CREATED hippos, the exact opposite of what they said 2 DAYS AGO!

Evolution is such a fun theory, you can make up anything from microbes on meteors to aliens to whales becoming hippos and you are called a scientist...

You guys get funnier the more you speak!

230 posted on 02/08/2005 7:55:49 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Ichneumon

Are you dodging giving an answer MR educated intellect? It's a very easy thing to give an answer of yes or no. Is the wolf and the dog the same species?


231 posted on 02/08/2005 7:56:53 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Junior
Part of the question is why my "worldview" is relevant-- ?

So much of this debate is a Show Trial for Smartypants, which makes the "evidence" suspect from the start.

232 posted on 02/08/2005 7:57:34 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Ichneumon

They are mistaken right from the start because evolution never happened across phylum boundries.

Simple.

Life was created, and life forms were created intact and complete.

Changes that occur within species is nothing more then genetic variation, not evolution.

And that is good science.


233 posted on 02/08/2005 7:57:35 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: HankReardon
Well, to me there is much evidence around that implies that different species have mated with each other ending up with something completely different.

I'm sheepish to provide examples here, but hey....look at the platypus. ;^)

234 posted on 02/08/2005 7:58:12 AM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: SubSailor
The astute reader will note that several arguments made by Ichneumon are invalid because so many of his purpoted supporting documents that are listed as links on the WWW in Ichneumon's posts do not exist.

Really? Which ones?

His documents supporting missing links are missing links!

That joke was just barely funny the first time. And now you've used it, what, three times now? You're going to feel pretty silly once you sober up.

235 posted on 02/08/2005 7:58:27 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Hey, bud, I hope you're having a bit of fun this morning, because from what I can see, your chances of convincing your chief interlocutor and his smirking friends of the soundness of any results of evolution studies are about the same as convincing them that they need remedial thinking lessons.

Willful blindness is almost always an incurable malady.

236 posted on 02/08/2005 7:58:30 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Ichneumon
sounds too much like the folks who expect that if evolution were true it would have to work by at some point having "a fish give birth to an elephant" or somesuch.

Naaa...just looking for evidence of something that is classified as both plant and animal.

237 posted on 02/08/2005 7:58:48 AM PST by houeto ("President Bush, close our borders now!")
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To: RaceBannon

And monkies are likely to fly out of my butt! What an evolutionary masterpiece of an event!


238 posted on 02/08/2005 7:59:42 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Ichneumon

Wow, so much digital ink--so much ego! You have a lot at stake, here.


239 posted on 02/08/2005 8:00:00 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Ichneumon

I don't have time to click all those links but,I'm certainly impressed!


240 posted on 02/08/2005 8:01:01 AM PST by shuckmaster
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