[MHalblaub]

How do mousetraps have sex?
You'll have to present that puzzle to Drs. Miller & McDonald.

Or to Michael Behe? So as I understand the whole thing is about. - It is to simple - you can't take anything away -
So you and Michael are omniscient and knew that it is impossible to make a flagellum more simple?

The comparison flagellum-mousetrap is funny. Because something what didn't catch a mouse isn't a mousetrap. Behind the mousetrap is the aim to catch a mouse. Behind the theory of evolution is no aim just a selection process. So I don't know for sure a flagellum started with something more complex or with something with a different purpose. Do you know?

Well gene sequencing is a means science uses to determine descent(if it's happening hee hee)

But you know what gene sequencing mean? You can't determine what occurred first in gene according to the position of it in a gene. You need some old genes to compare with. In common you don't determine descent you conclude affinity with genes because you rarely get intact ancient genes.

And, in referring to natural phenomena, they would not be wrong although to educate them I'd insist they ask how and why -- and if they can't answer after considering to truthfully say "I don't know."

And that is what we are talking about here. To give even your children more answers. Because "I don't know" has the same level of explanation as "God did it". The scientists try to explain more and more why something happen. Every scientist is well aware of the fact at some point he has to say "I don't know".
Saying "I don't know" to problems that are well explained through a theory is what most people in this thread upset.

[Tribune7]

How do mousetraps have sex? You'll have to present that puzzle to Drs. Miller & McDonald. . . Or to Michael Behe?

No, Behe thinks mousetraps were designed.

Well gene sequencing is a means science uses to determine descent. . .You can't determine what occurred first in gene according to the position of it in a gene.

That's not how gene sequencing is used in determining descent. (not saying it's definitive, of course, and nobody is claiming so as per the flagellum merely indicative) Are you saying it's not used for such a purpose??? Careful in how you answer.

Because "I don't know" has the same level of explanation as "God did it".

It most certainly does not. Saying "God did it" is a stopping point. Saying "I don't know" is a starting point. If are unwilling to honestly say "I don't know" you will never find the answer.

Saying "I don't know" to problems that are well explained through a theory is what most people in this thread upset.

Most people? I'd say the sides are pretty even and what has my side upset is the unwillingness to say "I don't know" when that is the honest answer.

Take this quiz: What is the defninitive common ancestor between man and chimp? Now why are you sure there is one?