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Darwinian Doubts
Discovery Institute and The Wichita Eagle ^ | March 9, 2005 | David Berlinski

Posted on 03/09/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by Heartlander

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To: walden

"The Secrets of the Vaulted Sky" is a book promoting astrology. Check my link to Amazon.


21 posted on 03/09/2005 1:23:21 PM PST by js1138
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To: donmeaker
FWIW, those fossils could all fit in my desk drawer.
ID predicts consciousness does not come from mindlessness.
22 posted on 03/09/2005 1:25:02 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: js1138
"The Secrets of the Vaulted Sky" is a book promoting astrology. Check my link to Amazon.

It can get whacky on both sides. If you want another laugh, you should check out the concept of memes introduced by Richard Dawkins in his fantasy work The Selfish Gene. He had me rolling on the floor laughing.
23 posted on 03/09/2005 1:29:00 PM PST by microgood
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To: Heartlander

monkey worship bump


24 posted on 03/09/2005 1:34:02 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Heartlander

"ID predicts consciousness does not come from mindlessness."

The argument that intelligence requires a creator doesn't wash, if that were true then something had to create the creator, and so on ad infinitum


25 posted on 03/09/2005 1:35:16 PM PST by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: js1138

So, he's a secular Jew who believes in astrology-- at least he's not one of those evil Christians!

I'm sorry, but probably everyone has one or more unproven beliefs, even beliefs that most others would consider whacked. It doesn't invalidate their opinions in other areas or their cognitive abilities . I believe in God (which belief many consider un-proven, although I don't) and I'm also very good at math, and I believe that conservative political views and positions are best for the country. One does not invalidate the others.


26 posted on 03/09/2005 1:36:30 PM PST by walden
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To: Heartlander

Heh, heh, bump.


27 posted on 03/09/2005 1:37:00 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: tfecw

>> this is wrong. They have gotten fruit flies to live longer.<<

Were they still fruit flies?


28 posted on 03/09/2005 1:39:11 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: RobRoy

are you going to read all the posts or just ignore those as well?


29 posted on 03/09/2005 1:40:30 PM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: RobRoy

No, they were "lived-longer" fruit flies, a new species !!!


30 posted on 03/09/2005 1:41:01 PM PST by dartuser (Many people think that questioning Darwinian evolution must be equivalent to espousing creationism.)
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To: walden
From the Amazon version of the Publisher's Weekly comments:

Spanning the development of astrology from Sumerian origins to Nazi court astrologers, Berlinski's ruminative but shallow history seeks to rescue it from what he sees as the misconceived derision of modern science. The author of A Tour of the Calculus remains coyly agnostic about astrology's validity. He calls it a "finely geared tool for the resolution of practical problems" and cites many successful predictions and a statistical study supposedly verifying the "Mars effect" on athletic talent, but when faced with the incoherent, metaphorical techniques by which astrologers interpret their charts, he can only shrug that since smart people used to listen to astrologers, there must be something to it.

Berlinsky's books on calculus and algorithms were rather poor. I read both. Neither was competently written.

31 posted on 03/09/2005 1:42:58 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
Berlinski is supposed to be better than this.
32 posted on 03/09/2005 1:47:16 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: donmeaker
How many species are allowed to go extinct by intelligent design?

As I understand ID, all of them actually.

Creationism on the other hand allows all to go extinct except for man

35 posted on 03/09/2005 1:53:03 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Heartlander

thank you...Berlinski is terrific


36 posted on 03/09/2005 1:55:02 PM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: Heartlander
Look – The suggestion that Darwin’s theory of evolution is like theories in the serious sciences – quantum electrodynamics, say – is grotesque. Quantum electrodynamics is accurate to thirteen unyielding decimal places. Darwin’s theory makes no tight quantitative predictions at all.

More misinformation from the anti-science crowd. QED doesn't work at all in a strong gravitational field. They still can't solve multibody problems. Plus they certainly can't measure anything to 13 decimal places. They're still working on 3.

Early experimental work indicated that the magnetic moment of the electron has a slight deviation of approximately 0.1% from the value expected from QED. This deviation is known as the anomalous magnetic moment and the size of this deviation between theoretical and experimental values establishes a strong bound on the validity of QED.

But if someone wants to, they can do some homework here.

37 posted on 03/09/2005 1:56:56 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: donmeaker

please list the 10 'species' between ape and Man


38 posted on 03/09/2005 1:57:04 PM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: VadeRetro
Berlinski is an awful writer. I read two of his books; both were poorly written and uninformative.

Duplicate thread.

From a Mathematical Reviews comment about another of Berlinski's books (Newton's gift): "But what is said of Newton's mathematics has only a weak connection with Newton's texts."

39 posted on 03/09/2005 2:01:17 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: donmeaker
If a species goes extinct, does that mean that the intelligent design was really not all that intelligent?

If intelligent design is true, and God really did create all of the species, shouldn't conservatives act to preserve every last one of them? I mean, every insignificant corpse-maggot or jungle-spider was put here on Earth BY GOD, LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, as an act of divine love & design & whatnot.

Me, I'm comfortable with a little extinction here and there.

40 posted on 03/09/2005 2:05:28 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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