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SCHIAVO CASE: APPEAL COURT SAYS NO TO HER PARENTS
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Posted on 03/16/2005 10:06:33 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- A state appeals court has refused to block the expected removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube on Friday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: schiavo; terrischiavo; terrisfight
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To: ArmyTeach
Terri's wishes not to be sustained using artificial tubes were litigated in court, where several witnesses were called. The court found "clear and convincing evidence" of Terri's wishes.

Even if Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer are abducted by space aliens, Terri's wishes will be enforced by Florida courts. At least, that's the way it looks by reading today's opinion.

This demonizing of Michael misses the point, but it's fun to post about the "evil" husband trying to "murder" his wife for "money."

281 posted on 03/16/2005 12:40:33 PM PST by george wythe
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To: ORECON

The laws of God supercede the laws of man. This is why abandonment of Judeo-Christian principals in the public square (e.g., the 10 commandments) leaves society open to tyranny. The Schindlers can, in good conscience, openly violate the law to protect her daughter, in spiritual terms. They would face civil justice, but 'leaving it up to God' disregards the moral right of the Schindler's to protect their daughter in spite of judicial tyranny.


282 posted on 03/16/2005 12:41:09 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: george wythe
"The trial court's decision does not give Mrs. Schiavo's legal guardian the option of leaving the life-prolonging procedures in place. " BUT, they're NOT saying the guardian cannot spoon-feed her. ONLY Greer says that. So, where does it really stand?
283 posted on 03/16/2005 12:41:20 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Lexinom
And I happen to believe Michael knows Terri's wishes. He is her next-of-ken and guardian. He gets to make the call by Florida law. I would do exactly what he has done to carry out my wife's wishes. What is happening is perfectly legal and has been reviewed many times. You disagree with what is happening. I agree with what is happening. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong. We just disagree.
284 posted on 03/16/2005 12:41:25 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: jwalsh07; ORECON

I am saying that HINO is wrong. No way in hell he can be right about this at all.

If so, and if having so much love for Terri (NOT!), why all the lies, deceptions, aggressiveness to kill her. A real man would have thanked God that she was alive and at the very least, let her live and go home to his parents.

ORECON knows full well the implications HINO faces along with his sleazy death-camp lawyer, if he would bother to read of the conflicts.

All Empire Journal articles are based on fact, not rumor. Read them, ORECON, and stop having lengthy discussions with your wife as you are both not looking at the facts before speaking to each other.

No way in hell I would ever allow my husband to have a say if I lived or died, or to speak for me on ANY situation while living with another woman and having kids with her. He shows his loathing for Terri by not being a proper husband to her.

No way in hell is he right about anything concerning Terri, in fact, it is the hellish opposite.


285 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:16 PM PST by atruelady (Life Support...the OTHER white meat.)
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To: ORECON
Hey, you do what you can and then leave it up to God.

I agree with you on that point. :)
Give her food and water, bathe her, let her hear the radio and watch TV. Let her friends and family visit her.

God will take her when he wants to.

I don't believe God wants evil people to quit giving her food and water.

286 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:19 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: tutstar

"If you think that is my main focus you are sadly mistaken."

No, I don't think impeachment is your main focus. I know. I've followed the Terri Threads for quite some time now and I know your heart is in the right place, tutstar.

But the reason I wrote what I wrote is because others (especially those who may have not followed the Terri Schindler case) may read your tag line and may erroneously conclude that impeaching judge Greer takes precedence over saving Terri's life.

All of our efforts s/b on Terri and if concurrently judge Greer et al can be impeached, so much the better. But Terri must come first.


287 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:29 PM PST by mjtobias (Bumping for Terri.)
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To: jwalsh07
OK. I will call you irrational and you call me irrational, but we won't agree to call each other irrational.
288 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:45 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: ORECON

ORECON - there's no documentation. There's no living will. It's his word versus hers - WOOPS - she can't speak for herself. On which side should we err?

If a hunter spots movement in the brush, does he shoot? No. He assumes it's not a deer but a human being. It respects the dignity of human life. Schiavo and the Florida judiciary assumes his wife is a vegetable and not a human being.


289 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:46 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: jwalsh07; ORECON; All

In my last post I meant to say for Terri to go home
and live with HER parents.

Sorry.


290 posted on 03/16/2005 12:44:15 PM PST by atruelady (Life Support...the OTHER white meat.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
"The easiest thing I can say is to look at your ping page. If you don't have all sorts of stuff from me then something is wrong on my system and I am wondering if more people are not getting notified."

Uh oh! I don't know what a "ping" page is. You could be right - I probably have all sorts of stuff there. Help!

291 posted on 03/16/2005 12:44:44 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: ORECON

You agree with disabled people being executed on no capital charges.... You're living in the wrong country and about 60 years too late...


292 posted on 03/16/2005 12:45:27 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: carenot
It is Michael's legal call, not yours.
293 posted on 03/16/2005 12:46:30 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: HungarianGypsy

#105.. Also the fact the death is in fact a killing perpetrated upon an innocent individul probably against her wishes...go on from there.


294 posted on 03/16/2005 12:48:12 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: ORECON
It is Michael's legal call, not yours.

To kill, maim, and murder is no one's legal call. You should get your philosophy in order because it's terribly conflicted. Rights exists whether there is a law to protect them or not. They also exist whether or not you decide to acknowledge them.

295 posted on 03/16/2005 12:49:29 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: numberonepal

Col. Gritz will arrive in Pinellas Park later today


Press Release

16 March 2005

TRUE GRIT(Z) RIDES AGAIN: FILES CITIZEN’S ARREST IN SHIAVO CASE

Former Green Beret Commander Bo Gritz is charging-in once again. The 66 year-old retired Army Lt. Colonel with his wife, Judy, drove straight through from their Southern Nevada home to Pinellas Park, Florida in their own effort to rescue Terri Schindler-Shiavo. In his typically unconventional fashion, Gritz is arresting Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer and Terri Schiavo’s estranged husband, Michael Schiavo, plus anyone else who would aid or abet in removing Terri’s feeding tube.

Bo and Judy arrived this evening, after furnishing a notarized “Citizen’s Arrest Warrant” to Governor Jeb Bush and Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist. Gritz intends on “papering” State and Federal enforcement offices with his warrant on Thursday, one day before Judge Greer has ordered the denial of food and water to Terri Schiavo. Gritz says the “arrest” is meant to allow officials additional options as the Florida State Executive and Legislative Branches maneuver to secure Terri Schiavo from starvation. “It’s just another arrow in the quiver which may help pro-Terri forces to counter Judge Greer’s death-order,” says Gritz.

The “Gritz-effect” remains to be seen, but he successfully used the arrest-tool against federal law enforcement in August 1992 when he intervened in the siege at Ruby Ridge, Idaho and brought what was left of the Randy Weaver family down the hill without further bloodshed. Sammy, the 14 year-old Weaver boy, was killed along with his mother, Vicki, and U.S. Marshal William Degan. Randy Weaver and another man, Kevin Harris, were wounded by police gun-fire. Gritz secured the services of renowned defense lawyer Gerry Spence, and the U.S. Department of Justice paid the Weavers $3.2-million in an out-of-court settlement. Harris was awarded more than $300,000.


Gritz was also present during the longest FBI-siege at the Montana Freemen compound, and helped in the failed-search for Olympic bombing suspect Eric Rudolph -- due for prosecution in Birmingham this month.

Gritz says while he doesn’t want to “cause trouble,”he gets involved when it appears Americans are in needless life-and-death situations with the law. Citing his officer’s oath of allegiance to “defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic,” Gritz says while he doesn’t know Terri Schiavo personally, she nevertheless represents an American in danger of citizen-rights abuse, and he feels an obligation to act while she remains alive. Says Gritz: “Amer-I-cans will always fight for freedom. Millions of our military place their life on the line to keep tyranny away from our shores.” He acknowledges and supports the broad-front of Americans who have for years stood-up in saving the life of Terri Schiavo. Besides a “Terri-Bill” under consideration in the U.S. Congress, the Florida Legislature votes Friday on a modified-measure to keep Terri’s life-support in place. A previous Florida Bill was ruled un-Constitutional barring further intervention by Governor Bush. “We all do what we can. Most people wisely don’t arrest important officials, it can be non-habit forming. It’s my contribution, as I see it,” says Gritz.

While threatened with arrest at Ruby Ridge and Jordon, Montana, when the smoke-cleared, the much decorated war hero instead walked away with FBI letters of appreciation. Time and events will soon tell if his presence is thus appreciated in Florida.

A copy of the Gritz Warrant language is attached.



CITIZEN’S ARREST NOTICE

I, James G. “Bo” Gritz, a private citizen, being an American by birth in Enid, Oklahoma, on 18 January 1939, and possessing personal knowledge (reasonable cause) that certain individuals and agencies in and around Pinellas Park, Florida have committed, or will soon commit, specific felony violation of U.S. and Florida State laws, do hereby issue and publish this Citizen’s Arrest Notice requesting government agencies responsible for enforcement, including the Pinellas County Sheriff, Florida Attorney General, State Police, FBI, district attorneys and local police departments arrest the identified person(s) for crimes already committed and restrain them from committing further violations identified in this document.

The focus of this action is to secure the personal safety of Theresa “Terri” Marie Schindler-Schiavo, a natural-born U.S. Citizen currently being held in the Woodside Hospice (727-541-4199) at 6774 102nd Avenue N in Pinellas Park, FL 33782-2909 (Scott Kistler, Vice President of Operations, 727-586-4432). Terri is paralyzed and in need of care by the Woodside staff – specifically the provision of nourishment and hydration at meal times through a feeding tube.
The specific threat is the wrongful withholding of nourishment from Terri Schiavo beginning at 1:00 p.m. local-time on 18 March 2005 with the specific purpose of her death through starvation and dehydration, as ordered by Circuit Judge George W. Greer (727-464-3933) in the Probate Division of the Circuit Court for Pinellas County, Florida at 2:50 p.m. on 25 February 2005; to be executed by Michael Schiavo (Marrie Ct, Clearwater, FL). This is a felony conspiracy to cause the wrongful death of an innocent person. The conspiracy will become a homicide if carried through to completion.

With the exception of the feeding tube at meal time, Terri Schiavo is on no other form of life support-system. She is not in a comma – she opens and moves her eyes; she is aware, recognizes and reacts to people and other stimuli. She is paralyzed, but more than 17 physicians and medical specialists have signed affidavits believing her condition will improve with proper therapy. Nobel Prize nominee Dr. William Hammesfahr has examined Terri and states her injury is a type of stroke that he treats everyday with success. Terri’s parents, Robert and Mary Schindler are prepared to assume responsibility for continued care of their daughter. The American people, the U.S. Congress, Florida Legislature, Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Department of Children and Families, the Vatican, numerous public interest groups, and luminary Americans are making public their adamant interest sustaining Terri’s life.

As an American, Terri Schindler-Schiavo is protected under both U.S. Constitutional Laws and Florida Statutes which have been over-ridden by Judge George Greer. The 8th Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. Not even the most heinous criminals are starved to death! The 14th Amendment protects her human rights as an American.

Florida Statute 744.3215 (Rights of Persons Determined Incapacitated) forbids depriving Terri of food and water, a felony.


Florida Statute 765.404 requires the diagnosis of “persistent vegetative state” be determined as “permanent” prior to withdrawal of life prolonging means. Judge Greer has refused any further definitive tests (MRI) to ascertain Terri’s current status.

Florida Statute 765.309 prevents mercy killing and assisted suicide.

Florida Statute 765.404 calls for clear and convincing evidence of a ward’s intent concerning life and death medical decisions. Terri is a Catholic (suicide and assisted termination not an option); Judge Grer ruled-out pro-life testimony and accepted instead Michael Schivo’s self-serving hearsay that he had heard Terri refer to ceasing life-support on one occasion (violation of FL Statute 90.602).

This Citizen’s Arrest Warrant becomes null and void upon transfer of guardianship for Terri Schindler-Schiavo to her mother and father, or the Florida Department of Children & Families, prior to 1:00 p.m. on 18 March 2005.

As the plaintiff, I will physically be present in Pinellas Park at the Woodside Hospice. I am causing this complaint to be widely distributed so appropriate officials are made aware and may act to prevent this cruel death. As previously stated: The sole purpose of this document and resulting action(s) is to safeguard a helpless Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Any action that accomplishes this objective satisfies this Citizen’s Arrest Notice.

Sworn to and Certified before a Notary Public on this date

I am James G. “Bo” Gritz, a Private Person and U.S. Citizen,
resident address: HC-37, Box 472, Sandy Valley, NV 89019


296 posted on 03/16/2005 12:49:41 PM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: atruelady
Sorry, a lot of people disagree with you. You have an opinion and I have an opinion that conflicts with your opinion. That doesn't make you right or me wrong. We just have different opinions.
297 posted on 03/16/2005 12:49:41 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: ORECON

Name the lies that have been made up.


298 posted on 03/16/2005 12:50:09 PM PST by sport
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To: numberonepal

I wonder if she'll make it to Good Friday.


299 posted on 03/16/2005 12:50:26 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Florida law says if she can't speak for herself, the next-of-kin speaks for her.
300 posted on 03/16/2005 12:50:50 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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