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To: blinachka
They were never a civilized western nation .

Excuse me? Where do get that ridiculous idea from? Serbia is and was the most civilized nation of all of the former Yugoslavia. I think you need to do some research regarding Serbia because this last part of your post is sheer and utter nonsense.


The most civilized part of a Eastern Europe socialist nation . Not a big achievement .My point exactly.
16 posted on 03/17/2005 7:00:22 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: newfarm4000n
The most civilized part of a Eastern Europe socialist nation . Not a big achievement .My point exactly.

And your point is? What?

I'll tell you that the SERBIAN nation was civilized enough to be just about the ONLY nation in Europe who would accept refugees from Russia after the Bolshveik Revolution (my own family included).

SERBIA was also civilized enough to actually be an ALLY of the USA during WWII and actually fought against the Nazis as opposed to the other nations who fought alongside them.

I don't think you know very much about the Serbian nation other than the propoganda that has been told to you by a biased media and severely distorted "facts" which years later are proving to be false accusations that were propped up in order to justify an illegal bombing campaign.

The Serbs definitely made their fair share of mistakes and the Serbian military and paramilitary forces no doubt committed crimes. Those crimes have been acknowledged by the Serbs and people are paying the price and serving their time or are on trial for it.

What fails to be acknowledged for the most part are the crimes committed by the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and most of all the Albanians (who have been trying to take over Kosovo for well over Kosovo-Metohija for centuries).

Imagine that Mexicans, who had mostly entered the country illegally and settled in and around the Alamo, decided that they wanted to have their own government and autonomy there since they had come to outnumber the Americans. Imagine that they started killing Americans who did still live there - randomly. Imagine that they refused to speak the laguage of the American government. The laguage our Declaration of Independece and Constitution and Bill of Rights was written in; English. Imagine that these people demanded that they have separate schools for them in Mexican Spanish. Imagine they started their own "shadow" governmentand refused to obey the laws of the USA. Imagine they started killing police officers when the police were attempting to do their job and uphold the law?

Do you think anyone in their right mind who lived there would sit still for this? Imagine that the Mexicans decided to burn down a few very old churches and while at it defaced the icons and frescoes inside - scratching out the eyes of the Holy Virgin or the depiction of Jesus Christ. Imagine they carved their "tag" into the walls of the burnt out ruins of the churches so everyone would know who had committed the crime.

Now imagine that the President of the USA came to town and told you that he would no longer stand for this. Imagine he came to the Alamo - where your ancestors had fought a fierce battle long ago and imagine he told you that he would protect you and that you no longer had to live in fear. What would you expect the people to do? Of COURSE they wouldcheer him on and support him. They were trying to protect their homes and their homeland from people who were, and had been for a long time, trying to drive them out. Of course they woudl retaliate at attacks made on them and of course they would do what they could to defend the land that had been their "holy land" for centuries.

This is basically the truth about Kosovo. It didn't just happen overnight. The Serbs didn't just decide that they didn't like the ALbanians and decide to start killing them one day. They were provoked and had been provoked for a very long time. They were pushed and pushed back harder and somehow they are criminalized for it.

Well gee, as it turns out it is the KLA which is the terrorist organization with ties to al Quaida and it is the Albanian Mafia which runs the most heroin into Europe. And let's not forget that it's the ALbanian mafia and the KLA who are the biggest traffickers of Eastern European women - forcing them into prostitution and practical slavery. Yep - the poor Albanians...the ones we SHOULD have been bombing back in 1998. As an Army Captain I met from Ft. Stewart, GA - who was on his way back to Kosovo told me: "We bombed the wrong side in Kosovo."

17 posted on 03/17/2005 7:47:43 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: newfarm4000n; blinachka
Serbia is and was the most civilized nation of all of the former Yugoslavia.

I'd argue for Slovenia. NATO & the EU have standards concerning democracy, human rights, the rule of law and so on--pretty good way to define a "civilized nation"; by their measures Slovenia is there now & Croatia is getting close--as soon as they turn in Gotovina.

21 posted on 03/17/2005 8:19:29 PM PST by mark502inf
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