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Michael Schiavo: A refusal to quit in the face of threats, anguish and vitriol.
The Inquirer ^ | Mar. 20, 2005 | Sandy Bauers

Posted on 03/20/2005 6:06:29 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: T'wit
Begging your pardon, there is no conspiracy theory involved. There is, however, strong medical evidence, from blood chemistry as well as the bone scan, that Michael Schiavo tried to smother his wife in 1990 in the course of an ordinary domestic fight.

There was no clear evidence at the time or the doctors would have noticed it don't you think?

You also said...

She was taken to an ER where a desperate effort was made to revive her. It's not like they gave her a physical.

Desperately trying to revive her?

When she was brought in her heart was beating and she was breathing so what were they desperately trying to revive her from? A comma? All they knew initally is that she was unconscious. From there they set about doing a physical to determine why she is unconscious.

They especial look for trama as well as run all kinds of blood work.

From their physical it was determined that her heart had stopped beating for some reason, causing lack of oxygen to flow to her brain, causing her to be in a coma, thus causing permanent brain damage, ultimately causing her to be PVS.

461 posted on 03/21/2005 2:25:01 AM PST by PFKEY
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To: ClancyJ
We all throw in our theories while we wait for the news.

True enough but I think the facts are in the best that we will ever have them. And the facts tell us she is in her condition because of a chemical imbalance that caused her heart to stop beating which caused loss of oxygen to flow to her brain resulting in permanent brain damage.

462 posted on 03/21/2005 2:29:03 AM PST by PFKEY
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To: Former Military Chick

I wondered if this piece would mention the obvious....Terri's life insurance, but it didn't. Also, who is paying Terri's medical bills? This might impact the thinking of some one way or another. But in the long run, when some sick or handicapped person becomes either an emotional or financial burden families can't or won't cope with, the taxpayer ends up paying. Since these are the most vulnerable Americans, they shouldn't be tossed out like so much garbage, especially when we're paying billions for illegal aliens' medical/educational/welfare. If Terri Schiavo dies because of this, the door is open to do the same to countless others.


463 posted on 03/21/2005 2:29:57 AM PST by hershey
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To: T'wit
We do know what happened to her. It took time to develop the information. A person can be smothered with few or no external marks.

If you have evidence of this crime it is your obligation to report it to law enforcement otherwise you are an accomplice.

If you have no proof and apperently neither does anyone else then what you are saying is this is your theory, a conspiracy theory.

I'll stick with the fact instead of what someone typing on FR who is unlikely to have any first hand knowledge of the parties involved in this case.

Thanks for playing.

464 posted on 03/21/2005 2:34:10 AM PST by PFKEY
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To: Randjuke
Giving more powers to the federal government makes a bad situation worse.

You better believe it does.

465 posted on 03/21/2005 3:31:16 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: Mo1
Howlin's concerns are about Congress over stepping their bounds

The parents/family of Terri Shiavo begged congress to step in. Without something in writing from Terri, and family willing/begging to take care of her, why should the decision be to let her die?

I agree that it has nothing to do with Michael Shiavo's morality, it's about life and death and no written directive from Terri. We should always come down on the side of life when this is the case.

The government gets involved in all sorts of "personal/family matters" when there is or is not something in writing. Why not this one?

466 posted on 03/21/2005 3:38:33 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: T'wit
I asked two FR physicians to examine the scan and both affirmed that Terri had suffered major traumas.

What are their screen names? Please post links to their comments.

467 posted on 03/21/2005 3:44:40 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: T'wit
There is, however, strong medical evidence, from blood chemistry as well as the bone scan, that Michael Schiavo tried to smother his wife in 1990 in the course of an ordinary domestic fight.

How come the insurance company lawyers for the doctor in the malpractice case didn't use this as a defense for dismissing the lawsuit?

You don't think they investigated this angle thoroughly?

468 posted on 03/21/2005 3:46:38 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: T'wit
We do know what happened to her.

The kooks know what happened to her, but you guys are just making stuff up out of whole cloth.

469 posted on 03/21/2005 3:47:48 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: MikeinIraq

> death threats go above and beyond the normal bounds

You're right about death threats. But they are, to this point, words without actions. HINO has indulged in many actions detrimental to Terri's well-being; preventing relevent neurological testing that would determine her ability to recover, keeping her isolated, refusing to permit rehabilitative therapy, etc., etc. HINO's pursuit of a judicial order for Terri's execution by starvation is also beyond the normal bounds.
I don't approve of death threats either, but he did choose to go down this path which turned out to be a national flash point and highly emotionally charged issue. Like Truman said, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
Everyone would have been better off if Michael Schiavo had not pursued this years' long effort -- on his hearsay evidence claim.


470 posted on 03/21/2005 3:48:56 AM PST by l.tecolote (doing what I can from California)
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To: UCANSEE2
I am sorry, but you are completely wrong.


No I'm NOT wrong!
Friday, early, afternoon Judge Greer ordered the feeding tube to be removed, NOT Michael!!
Therefore he should be impeached, and hopefully with Congress new ruling 203-58, maybe Congress also will go after Greer, which I heard both DeLay and Frist said they would, in an interview with Sean Hanity's radio show Friday afternoon. I would also like to see Michael and his cahoot Felos being charged of attempted murderers as well!!!
471 posted on 03/21/2005 4:23:07 AM PST by danamco
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To: DameAutour

Your post number 435 is the most sensible I've read so far, and I've read alot!


472 posted on 03/21/2005 4:33:50 AM PST by tuffydoodle
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To: PFKEY
If there is proof he tried to off her, why didn't the defendants in the malpractice suit WHO ARE DOCTORS, after all, use that as a defense before they paid out all that money?

My response
Could be because after he got the money for the therapy, he refused the therapy...He spent over 400,000 of it on his lawyer trying to 'let her die' instead...

After, still means after...Look at the context of the posts...

Your response
He wouldn't be awarded this money until he won the malpractice suite for her collapse and current condition for which you allege MS is responsible for.

Besides you, who said this?
Unless you are saying that the only proof for her condition would be her saying that MS did this to me which in your previous post you said there were multiple broken bone.

Sorry but your logic escapes me.

After reading your posts, I'd say that's understandable....It all may make sense when you figure out who posted what to whom and in what context...Good luck...

473 posted on 03/21/2005 4:39:55 AM PST by Iscool
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To: muawiyah

"nicht einmal unheimlich"

It would help if you translated that.


474 posted on 03/21/2005 4:57:17 AM PST by exDemMom (Euthanasia, NO WAY. Youth in Asia, OF COURSE.)
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To: UCANSEE2
At this state Michael can NOT do anything, just walk away or stay! I am sorry, but you are completely wrong.


So, like you say I'm wrong, well then DeLay must also be completely wrong??? Read carefully the last 1-1/2 line of DeLay's comment! ........Quote:
"A death row inmate has more of a process to go through than Terri Schiavo does," DeLay said earlier on ABC News' "Good Morning America" Saturday. "All we're doing in Congress is giving Terri Schiavo an opportunity to come to the federal courts and review what this judge in Florida has been doing, and he's been trying to kill Terri for 4 1/2 years."

....Hugh?
475 posted on 03/21/2005 4:59:09 AM PST by danamco
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To: Former Military Chick

Thanks for this perspective. Have tended to mistrust him wholesale.

It does seem to highlight, at least for me, how important it is to have a fresh, independent review--hopefully with an MRI scan or some such.


476 posted on 03/21/2005 5:06:16 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Howlin; Stakka Skynet; PFKEY

Oh, quit it, I've seen your posts on other Terri threads.

You're one of those quite happy to hide behind euphemisms like "let her slip away" or "let her go" rather than admit this comes down to a case of killing someone who is inconvenient to society. Guess what? Little babies and teenagers can be very inconvenient to parents, siblings and society.

I'm under no illusions about what is happening. Terri is not dying, she is being killed, slowly and cruelly. I would guess this comes under the heading of "cruel and unusual punishment."

In your eyes, I'm only an ass because I dare question your stance and your refusal to admit Terri is being killed. If you are going to argue for death, at least be honest about it and not hide behind phrases that make you feel better.

The other problem I have with Terri is the fact to many people want to look at this case in isolation, and not at the broader ramifications for this country.

I've seen a lot of conflicting and contradictory statements regarding Terri.

However, one rule of thumb I do have is this: If the NYT editorializes for Terry dying, then I'm against it. Well, okay, I have other reasons, just thought I'd toss that one out there.

Nice, by the way. Call me names, yet not answer any of my questions.


477 posted on 03/21/2005 5:11:18 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Former Military Chick
Michael is a man with a mission. He works overtime to give the DemocRATs an issue.

The DemocRATs are full of surprises!

They have finally picked out the hill, the defense of which they are prepared to die: Hill No. 2008 or Mt. Schaivo.

Unfortunately some RepublicRATs are scambling to join their leftist allies, but there's no surprises here. These RepublicRATs are the ones usually allied with America's enemies and are the reason I NEVER contribute funds to the RNC.

478 posted on 03/21/2005 5:12:54 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: MikeinIraq
I don't care who is lying and who isnt, death threats go above and beyond the normal bounds and no matter what this jack@$$ adulterer did or didnt do, is uncalled for.

This is coming from the radical pro-life minority that is led by Randall Terry and the likes of Paul Hill, Jim Kopp and Eric Rudolph!

479 posted on 03/21/2005 5:13:51 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Former Military Chick
...in the end we may disagree but we do so based on an intellectual and respectful discussion

This is the end.

Speeding up the death of Mrs. Schaivo is akin to murder and is rather like being buried alive knowing there's nothing you can do to stop them from killing you.

480 posted on 03/21/2005 5:18:07 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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