Michael Schiavo: A refusal to quit in the face of threats, anguish and vitriol.

The Inquirer ^ | Mar. 20, 2005 | Sandy Bauers

[Long Cut]

Hell, man, we're far from the only squadron or unit with supply problems. OR difficulty getting training dollars and other things.

It's one of the reasons this is such a bitter pill to swallow.

The other is that it is painful to watch a political party I support go so sideways.

[stylin_geek]

I'm with you on the unsubstantiated charges. The death threats dismay me to no end, too. Nothing like being "right to life" then threatening someone with death.

I would argue this case is important, because there are broad national implications, too. There are two ends to the spectrum of death, abortion and right to die. Once those lines are drawn, it is only a matter of time before moves are made to redraw them.

For instance, who in their right mind would have ever expected the right to abortion to eventually include the atrocity known as "partial birth abortion?"

[UCANSEE2]

I have heard this several times....

Also, the spending of the lawsuit money has been approved by the court.

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Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, it was.

Now, consider this.

The court, The Judge of that court (and who would that be?), that is in GUARDIANSHIP of her ESTATE, allowed money from that estate which was to be spent on her REHAB,to be spent by MICHAEL on a EUTHANASIA ADVOCATE LAWYER to have her put to death.

Think of that. The Court that was entrusted with ENSURING THE MONEY WAS SPENT ON TERRI's rehab and care, ALLOWED THE MONEY to be spent on efforts to kill her.

THAT is a violation of the terms of that guardianship.

NOW, WHO AUTHORIZED SPENDING THAT MONEY????? SOMEONE TELL ME THE NAME.

[UCANSEE2]

If foul play is suspected the hospital/doctors have to report this to the police. Why didn't that happen?

How do you know that it didn't? MIKEY'S MOM WORKED AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

[hchutch]

If you're so worried about unsubstantiated allegations, why were you jumping all over Howlin?

This bill could have some serious consequences. Why are people implying that Howlin or others who aren't toeing the lineon this "pro-death" or something?

[Long Cut]

"I'm with you on the unsubstantiated charges. The death threats dismay me to no end, too. Nothing like being "right to life" then threatening someone with death. "

Then you recognize the problem some of us have. It is perfectly legitemite to discuss whether or not Ms. Schiavo's wishes were adequetly established, or whether or not they are being carried out. It's even well and good to discuss whether or not it's RIGHT.

However, when those on one side try to "enhance" their case through conspiracy theories, slander, and accusations without foundation, and hurl invective at anyone who points out the fallacies and flaws, sooner or later their whole case comes into question.

And when they seemingly abandon all previous positions regarding government interference in personal, local, and state matters and call for the feds to intervene, it damages their credibility and position in those things as well.

The death threats are "beyond the pale", and give most folks the willies when examining ANYTHING that side puts out. It's hard to persuade someone when you've made it clear to them that you're a maniac.

In this case, many longtime FReepers, having had their fill of the invective and wild vitriol, decided to investigate the claims for themselves, and came to different conclusions than the "Terri Brigades". They posted that information. In due time, it will also be seen by lawmakers, some of whom will doubtless come to the same conclusions. They won't be happy, either.

What's that mean for the next case? Or other controversial issues? Politicians don't like being made fools of.

[stylin_geek]

I admit to thinking Howlin was on the pro-death side, based on the questions she asked.

However, I also asked some serious questions about her stance on this issue. Rather than answer my questions, she resorted to name calling.

I also did the research, and again asked some questions, based on what she posted.

Again, she resorted to name calling.

So, again, how am I jumping all over Howlin?

Howlin claims to be asking "legitimate questions" yet when I challenge her assertions, she resorts to name calling.

Oh, by the way, I would post to Howlin, also, but she's requested that I stop posting to her.

[Rider on the Rain]

Where is Jack-boot Janet when the pro death howlers need her? She could send in the storm troopers and seize Terri from the ones who love her just like she did with Elian.

[UCANSEE2]

Friday, early, afternoon Judge Greer ordered the feeding tube to be removed, NOT Michael!!

It seems we agree in general, but differ in the details.

Greer cannot rule on a case, unless it is Filed by a plaintiff, which is Michael.

Michael filed a pleading to have the food/water cut off, then Greer saw the case in court, then he ruled.

Here is where you need to concern yourself.....

Judge Greer is Guardian of Terri's rehab/care money. He authorized Michael to take some of the money and get a lawyer and file the pleading to have Terri Killed.

First, the judge violated principles of guardianship in giving out the money to have the principle of the estate put to death.

Second, If he thought it was OK to allow Michael to ask to have Terri killed, then how could he be JUDGE over the case as well?

That made him undeniably biased and he should have recused himself from ruling on the case, and let another judge have it.

The fact he didn't demonstrates how CORRUPT he is.

[T'wit]

>> What are their screen names? Please post links to their comments.

No.

[T'wit]

>> I am a physician and would appreciate the opportunity to review her bone scan

It has been posted a few times in the past few days but I did not keep a record where. If I come across it, I'll get back to you.

Ask around, maybe others can help you find it.

[UCANSEE2]

If Terri Schiavo dies because of this, the door is open to do the same to countless others.

The door is already open, Michael is simply trying to FORCE HER THOUGH IT.

Suncoast Hospice and FELOS are under investigation for 150 plus patients who were admitted there, diagnosed as terminally ill (by those quality doctors who state Terri is braindead), and were found not to be. The Hospice and FELOS scammed over $14 million from MEDICARE on this, and the DEPT of HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES has filed notice of the illegal claims and wants the money back.

THEY HAVE BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN FLORIDA TO SCAM MEDICARE FUNDS for quite a while now.

[f zero]

I don't think he is lying. To bolster his case, he is holding fast to Terri's wishes. Her wishes not to be kept alive in such a state. If the parents take over, she will be forced to live in a state that she does not want to be. Your right, the easy thing would be to divorce her and let Mom and Dad take over. But since he is fighting so hard it leads me to believe he is telling the truth.

[T'wit]

I said what I thought needed saying. You replied that you weren't "buying it." I'm perfectly content with that, and in return, I didn't find any interesting research or theories in your posts. There's nothing more to discuss.

[UCANSEE2]

How come the insurance company lawyers for the doctor in the malpractice case didn't use this as a defense for dismissing the lawsuit?

The scans that show longitudinal fracture, compression fractures, etc. were not available to them. The blood gases by themselves could be taken several ways, without corroborative evidence, which Michael arranged to have hidden.

You don't think they investigated this angle thoroughly?

NOPE. The INSURANCE company that lost the lawsuit, is no longer in business. Probably had bad lawyers who couldn't win a case even when the evidence was in front of them.

[T'wit]

>> If you have evidence of this crime it is your obligation to report it to law enforcement otherwise you are an accomplice.

George Felos had the bone scan evidence and concealed it. As an attorney, he is an officer of the court with a special obligation to report crime. He did not. There's your real accomplice.

[kenavi]

I believe we should be informed from all sides of the issue. Whether you support either party to have the facts is helpful when debating the issue. I try to always be fair and listen and frankly in the end we may disagree but we do so based on an intellectual and respectful discussion. Which is what makes Free Republic great.

Thanks for this post and your thoughtful comment.

My hope is that this debate makes the FR world stronger and more cohesive in its beliefs. That involves defining what really matters, and learning from each other.

Depriving someone of food and water is very different than removing life support systems.

It is either murder or "assisted suicide". Our presumption as a society has to be against that.

Our debate, however, has to reflect the "life culture" we extoll. Michael Schiavo is not necessarily an evil man, I think it's very possible he means to carry out his ex-wife's wishes, it would have been much easier for him personally, just to have divorced her and gone on with his life (that $1mm settlement wouldn't have helped him economically very much if at all, after paying for all the costs of her care over the years).

We should strive not to be hateful when trying to express lovingkindness.

[UCANSEE2]

Hello Dear. I see things are going as usual.

Stop, take a breath, don't asborb the anger and hate being directed at you.

I wanted to ask you something.

Judge Greer is Custodian or Guardian of the estate(insurance settlements) money.

That money was placed in his trust for the rehabilitation, care, and concern of Terri.

Michael wanted to file a pleading to have the court discontinue food/water to Terri and essentially kill her, since it is a fact that she is not 'dying'. She may be AWARE or NOT, but she was not Dying.

Judge Greer authorized Michael spending the money on a lawyer to file that pleading in front of the court. Judge Greer's court, to be specific.

How can the Judge claim to be fair, and just, and unbiased when he authorized giving out the money to attempt putting her to death?

This seems to be a clear case of bias and prejudice. It would make one think he had already decided TERRI could be put to death before he heard the evidence and ruled on that evidence.

What do you, with your long and valuable experience in that area, think?

[UCANSEE2]

Here ya go.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_bonescan.htm

[Randjuke]

The door is already open, Michael is simply trying to FORCE HER THOUGH IT.

Suncoast Hospice and FELOS are under investigation for 150 plus patients who were admitted there, diagnosed as terminally ill (by those quality doctors who state Terri is braindead), and were found not to be. The Hospice and FELOS scammed over $14 million from MEDICARE on this, and the DEPT of HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES has filed notice of the illegal claims and wants the money back.

THEY HAVE BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN FLORIDA TO SCAM MEDICARE FUNDS for quite a while now.

You KINDA like that CAPS KEY don't YOU?