I saw it. Joe is out of control.
So is Hannity. IMHO.
"...I am saddened by the forced starvation of a young helpless woman, who is being sentenced to death simply because she can’t feed herself.
Now, applying this standard, infants, Alzheimer’s patients and the elderly, the infirm would face a court-ordered death. ..."
Jeez Joe, she can't feed herself because she's a vegetable!
May God forgive us indeed. Unfortunately, I don't think He will.
Close, Joe...but may God HELP us all.
Free will....the power and the curse of all living this side of Paradise.
We have the power to prevent this in the future. May we learn, grow in confidence and be an agent for change.
My husband heard this live last night... he got chills.
I saw it. It was Joe's finest hour.
Unfortunately, this is one of America's darkest.
Innocence is being killed. Her light is slowly fading.
I wonder, are the Florida State Police report to Starvationist Judge Greer over the Govenor? How can the good men in the police force stand by and allow this outrage to continue? Don't they have children? Don't they have wives? Mothers, fathers?
How can in America we starve innocent people to death by starvation? Why does she need to die? And, why does she need to die at this time of the year? Why does she need to die before God calls her?
Ping
I saw the video. Joe was superb. I didn't think Fox News had it in them. They also gave a full and fair interview of Carla Iyer.
I wonder if this could piss Joe off enough to run for Senate in '06. I think he'd be a good candidate.
Hey Joe S, the real deal is [and you know what it is, just the real deal does not sound as emotional]: She was not sentenced to death. She is not being executed. The court is carrying out her wishes. Her right to die! You do not believe there is clear and convincing evidence of that. Fine! Say that. Say Florida’s constitution and Florida law does not set a standard that you agree with to come to that conclusion. Say what you want now are some activist judges to ignore Florida law and the US Constitution. Let’s be truthful. That’s what you want. It’s a tough contortion to pull off, so let’s accuse Judge Greer of trying to execute her. Makes your ‘real deal’ a fantasy.
Joe S. - If you had a tape of Terri saying she would not want a feeding tube in this condition, would you still be objecting to the state allowing her to starve to death when we don’t starve dogs or convicted killers? I’m beginning to think so, because the Schindler’s would and have said so. They just don’t want the public to know what they think. This is not for Terri. You are being used by the Schindler’s and Randall Terry. Read this:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf - on page 14 of report to Gov Bush from Guardian Ad Litem, Dr Jay Wolfson, PHD.
…. they would keep Theresa alive at any and all costs. ……….. in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb ….
…. Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.
Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive. Throughout the course of the litigation, deposition and trial testimony by members of the Schindler family voiced the disturbing belief that they would keep Theresa alive at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb, and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open heart surgery. There was additional, difficult testimony that appeared to establish that despite the sad and undesirable condition of Theresa, the parents still derived joy from having her alive, even if Theresa might not be at all aware of her environment given the persistent vegetative state. Within the testimony, as part of the hypotheticals presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it. Throughout this painful and difficult trial, the family acknowledged that Theresa was in a diagnosed persistent vegetative state.
Liam – the state did not sentence her to death. It is unconstitutional to sentence someone to death. They are carrying out her wishes and you do not need a jury to carry out your wishes, just a guardian and evidence that is your wish. Again, you do not think there is enough evidence to prove that is her wish. This is why it looks like this site was invaded by DU, no logic, hysterical arguments that make no sense. The left loves it.
You think the court ruled wrong. Good argument. You wish Florida’s law required more evidence before carrying out someone’s ‘wishes’. She had no right to a jury. She was not charged with a crime.
sodpoodle – [cajun scpo] - Everyone here seems to ignore the first 4 years. Most experts claim that after one year in PVS there is almost no hope of improvement, but Michael Schiavo kept trying everything for 4 years. As stated above, the Schindler’s do not care what Terri’s wishes are. They sure are presenting a different ‘story’ to the public. If Gov Jeb Bush took control away from Michael, I’d question whether the Schindler’s would be competent guardians. If the tube is ordered back in, I think the state should be the guardian.
From Guardian Ad Litem report link above [I know facts do not matter in this case] Theresa suffered a cardiac arrest. During the several minutes it took for paramedics to arrive, Theresa experienced loss of oxygen to the brain, or anoxia, for a period sufficiently long to cause permanent loss of brain function. Despite heroic efforts to resuscitate, Theresa remained unconscious and slipped into a coma. She was intubated, ventilated and trached, meaning that she was given life saving medical technological interventions, without which she surely would have died that day.
The cause of the cardiac arrest was adduced to a dramatically reduced potassium level in Theresa’s body. Sodium and potassium maintain a vital, chemical balance in the human body that helps define the electrolyte levels. The cause of the imbalance was not clearly identified, but may be linked, in theory, to her drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea each day. While no formal proof emerged, the medical records note that the combination of aggressive weight loss, diet control and excessive hydration raised questions about Theresa suffering from Bulimia, an eating disorder, more common among women than men, in which purging through vomiting, laxatives and other methods of diet control becomes obsessive.
Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at Humana Northside Hospital, eventually emerging from her coma state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May 1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the “family as overwhelmed by Terry’s care needs.”
On 18 June 1990, Michael was formally appointed by the court to serve as Theresa’s legal guardian, because she was adjudicated to be incompetent by law. Michael’s appointment was undisputed by the parties.
The clinical records within the massive case file indicate that Theresa was not responsive to neurological and swallowing tests. She received regular and intense physical, occupational and speech therapies. [further in report - Three general methods of swallowing test can be performed to assess swallowing capacity and swallowing potential. A bedside test examines cranial nerve function, speech potential and trials of certain food textures through spoons, syringes, straws and cups. - The second is also bedside based test, call Flexible Endo Exam Swallowing (FEES). ……….. The recognized gold standard test is the modified barium swallowing test, generally done in a hospital or at a facility that has radiology equipment. Theresa’s three previous tests were barium swallowing tests.
Theresa’s husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared intentions of Michael Shiavo and the Schindlers.
In late Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing, formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to Florida with her in January of 1991. Theresa was transferred to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon, where she received 24 hour skilled care, physical, occupational, speech and recreational therapies.
Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities, only reflexive, rather than cognitive movements, random eye opening, no communication system and little change cognitively or functionally.
On 19 July 1991 Theresa was transferred to the Sable Palms skilled care facility. Periodic neurological exams, regular and aggressive physical, occupational and speech therapy continued through 1994.
Michael Schiavo, on Theresa’s and his own behalf, initiated a medical malpractice lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa’s fertility therapy. In 1993, the malpractice action concluded in Theresa and Michael’s favor, resulting in a two element award: More than $750,000 in economic damages for Theresa, and a loss of consortium award (non economic damages) of $300,000 to Michael. The court established a trust fund for Theresa’s financial award, with SouthTrust Bank as the Guardian and an independent trustee. This fund was meticulously managed and accounted for and Michael Schiavo had no control over its use. There is no evidence in the record of the trust administration documents of any mismanagement of Theresa’s estate, and the records on this matter are excellently maintained.
After the malpractice case judgment, evidence of disaffection between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo openly emerged for the first time. The Schindlers petitioned the court to remove Michael as Guardian. They made allegations that he was not caring for Theresa, and that his behavior was disruptive to Theresa’s treatment and condition.
Proceedings concluded that there was no basis for the removal of Michael as Guardian. Further, it was determined that he had been very aggressive and attentive in his care of Theresa. His demanding concern for her well being and meticulous care by the nursing home earned him the characterization by the administrator as “a nursing home administrator’s nightmare”. It is notable that through more than thirteen years after Theresa’s collapse, she has never had a bedsore.
By 1994, Michael’s attitude and perspective about Theresa’s condition changed. During the previous four years, he had insistently held to the premise that Theresa could recover and the evidence is incontrovertible that he gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care. This was in the face of consistent medical reports indicating that there was little or no likelihood for her improvement.
In early 1994 Theresa contracted a urinary tract infection and Michael, in consultation with Theresa’s treating physician, elected not to treat the infection and simultaneously imposed a “do not resuscitate” order should Theresa experience cardiac arrest. When the nursing facility initiated an intervention to challenge this decision, Michael cancelled the orders. Following the incident involving the infection, Theresa was transferred to another skilled nursing facility.
Michael’s decision not to treat was based upon discussions and consultation with Theresa’s doctor, and was predicated on his reasoned belief that there was no longer any hope for Theresa’s recovery. It had taken Michael more than three years to accommodate this reality and he was beginning to accept the idea of allowing Theresa to die naturally rather than remain in the non-cognitive, vegetative state. It took Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on with his life – something he was actively encouraged to do by the Schindlers, long before enmity tore them apart. He was even encouraged by the Schindlers to date, and introduced his in-law family to women he was dating. But this was just prior to the malpractice case ending.
He's telling the truth. If America sits on its butt and doesn't get on its knees, we are in very deep doo. There's a spirit of death lingering over America and if we don't dispel it through warfare prayers, we're finished. You will see many more cases like this; maybe YOUR child or mother or grandmother will have to starve to death because they are no longer useful to society. Hitler did it and so can we. It's not that farfetched anymore. PRAY!
Er, Joe, having a brain full of mush and having been in a persistent vegetative state for 16 years might have something to do with it too.
He was very helpful in spreading the truth about Terri. God bless him. One of the good guys, obviously.
Cavuto over on FOX, too.
Fri, 3/25/05: it's over.
They're intent upon killing Terri, and are beating us. They're winning. They own the judicial infrastructure, built over the past 4-5 decades. We don't have a chance. We're out-manned and out-gunned, this time.
Liberal-progressive-socialist-commie-nazi-subhuman-garbage-filth, are our masters. They own the MSM, local gov't, state gov't, all the courts, and ultimately: US.
Are you worried/scared/locking&loading, yet?
I am.