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Climate extremes may hit Boston area: Ocean levels have already risen one foot: Global Warming
Tufts Daily (Massachusetts) ^ | March 29, 2005 | Anthony McGovern

Posted on 03/29/2005 12:53:45 PM PST by rface

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To: rface

Maybe the ocean isn't really rising, maybe the land is sinking under all the weight of too many people! Heck, Michael Moore could be a big part of the problem!


61 posted on 03/29/2005 2:20:28 PM PST by BigBobCA
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To: aruanan

Years ago, the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute had a page on continental subsidence. Last time I looked, a couple of years ago, it had gone down the rabbit hole.


62 posted on 03/29/2005 2:28:02 PM PST by metesky ("Maine: Last to know; First to go.")
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To: rface

As if the Red Sox winning the World Series didn't convince them the world was coming to an end.


63 posted on 03/29/2005 2:29:44 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: rface

But this would be good for the electoral college.


64 posted on 03/29/2005 2:35:03 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal; rface; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro; dead
In an effort to explain the impending ... Professor Paul Kirshen presented an array of possible consequences and warnings to a small audience last night.

We're winning, I tell ya, we're winning!

65 posted on 03/29/2005 2:48:07 PM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: aculeus
In an effort to explain the impending ... Professor Paul Kirshen presented an array of possible consequences and warnings to a small audience last night.

Not everyone who wanted to attend the Global Warming presentation could attend.

They were snowed in.

66 posted on 03/29/2005 2:51:12 PM PST by martin_fierro (Fierro-san)
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To: rface
I've been an avid student of physics for a number of years. I remember way back in high school physics (60s vintage) our physics teacher, Mr. Sharon liked to run the lab first and then lecture on the results of the lab.

To teach displacement he had us put 4 ice cubes in a glass and fill it to the brim with water. Then it was to set until the end of the day (ice had melted) and we were to record our observations. We hurried back into the lab at the end of the day to find not a drop of water spilled and the water in the glass still at the brim. We accused this fine man of altering the experiment. Understanding as he was, he told us that we would do the same experiment the next day with low heat. Sure enough we did it. We placed 4 ice cubes and filled it to the brim with water. We sat the glass over a very low Bunsen burner and went on with the rest of our class. At the end of the class the same thing had happened. With a notable exception. The water level was not exactly at the brim. "Can anyone explain that" asked Mr. Sharon. I popped up and said, "evaporation due to heat", and of course I was correct.

Point: The displacement of the ice=the displacement of the water of the ice. Hence, the volume in the glass is the same pre and post ice melt. That little experiment taught me more about physics than any of the larger things I learned in College.

Here's the thing, we know this phenomenon is true. Volume of a liquid in a frozen state equal the volume of liquid in a liquid state. How, then does the "Global warming" model work? It doesn't, if you consider the physics of it. So, how can the volume of the oceans absorb the "great mass" of the polar ice caps. Question: what is the ratio of the volume of the ice caps to the volume of all the oceans? Well, first we must create a model where the volume of water on the planet is constant. Is that the case? If it is then we must consider vapor and condensation and every little thing to come down the pike, as most models don't.

I'm tired now, and I don't think that running up the same blind alley as the environmentalist whack jobs is worth my time. Sufficed to say.....they are full of, used food.

67 posted on 03/29/2005 3:47:28 PM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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I can't make any sense out of this hypothesis, can you?

No. And if the ice melts, water level remains the same, doesn't it? Unless the ice is on land, if that's what they're trying to say.

68 posted on 03/29/2005 8:18:44 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Boredom is simply a lack of attention)
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To: timydnuc
Here's the thing, we know this phenomenon is true. Volume of a liquid in a frozen state equal the volume of liquid in a liquid state.

I don't think this is true vis-a-vis water and ice. Ice actually has a larger volume than the water it is made of by about 10%... because it takes on a crystalline structure that water does not have. It DOES mass the same, but ice displaces the equal mass... and some of its volume will be above the level of the water. That's why ice floats. When the ice melts, that volume that is above the water level just disappears as it returns to its former volume.

Ice that is not FLOATING on water can add to the total volume of the water. Thus Arctic Ice is pretty much accounted for because it is floating... but antarctic ice on Antarctica (the continent) is not accounted for in the ocean levels.

69 posted on 03/29/2005 8:49:35 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: LibFreeOrDie
So what! The Back Bay USED to be tidewater flats - hence its name. It was filled in during the 1800's. Think of it like the lowlands of Holland... From Wikipedia: "It is frequently observed that this would have been impossible under modern environmental regulations." So why are the enviros so upset now? You'd think they'd want it to revert to its natural state!

Where do you think the environuts live? Just like they don't want a windfarm obstructing the views from their beach houses, they don't want their mansions in backbay flooding either. If they really believe this crap, expect much *more* whining about how the *rest of us* should reduce our fossil fuel usage in the near term. :)
70 posted on 03/29/2005 9:02:33 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian)
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To: metesky
Years ago, the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute had a page on continental subsidence. Last time I looked, a couple of years ago, it had gone down the rabbit hole.

I don't even remember seeing anything like this summer before last when I was out there.
71 posted on 03/30/2005 5:40:51 AM PST by aruanan
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