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To: Mad Dawg
JW are as whacked out as those who believe Mary is the "mother" of God. Try again.

As far as topic of Mary you seem to skirt issues by calling me a JW or regurgitating Doctrine while ignoring scripture. The passage in Phil dealt with the aspect of Jesus entering into solidarity with human beings and becoming fully one of them. Jesus was setting out to do the will of His Father.

Since the will of God was for Jesus to become human, God needed a surrogate mother. That is when Mary comes into play.

Try answering some of my previous questions too, like why did Mary need a sin offering for instance? Or point to scripture saying Mary was without sin and exempt from original sin?

Please quit the name games as well and accusing me of belonging to perverted Churches. I still go to Mass, only I study scripture and take Church Doctrine with a heavy grain of salt.
59 posted on 04/05/2005 1:46:58 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi
Let's see:
Try again.
you seem to skirt issues
regurgitating Doctrine
Still neither polite nor informative.

Now, what I wrote was:


That the Bible is inspired, the nature and meaning of the inspiration, and similar issues are -- guess what -- Church Doctrine! What books are in the Bible and which aren't? Church Doctrine! I can't talk about one without talking about the other.
And I say again: one of the things made a matter of doctrine centuries after the ascension of God the Son of God (if you're going to be contentious and intransigent, why shouldn't I?) was which writings made up the Bible, and what part the Bible should play in determining Doctrine. In other words, the Bible itself is a tradition -- a thing handed down. Consequently, your effort to set the Bible over against the other authoritative teachings and tradtitions of the body which authoritatively determined what the Bible was (and is) can not oblige me to respond in the way you want me to.

Further, not only do I not agree with your interpretation of the passage from Philippians, but I say again that you misrepresented the portion you cited. Consequently I do not think that exploring Scripture with you will serve my needs or any good I can imagine

Finally, you write

I still go to Mass, only I study scripture and take Church Doctrine with a heavy grain of salt.
As far as I can tell that makes you a dishonest and disobedient Catholic. At virtually every Mass the congregation says a creedal formula asserting, inter alia the Divinity of Christ. I'm not saying it's dishonest not to believe that. I AM saying that it IS dishonest to act like a member of an organization and to take part in its services, all the while withholding assent from matters which the organization considers central. The Church rejected Arianism more than a thousand years ago. It seems weird to persist in being a member of a body which so wholeheartedly anathematizes what you believe while you consider its beliefs and customs blasphemous.

Basta! Find somebody else to play with. I don't like this game and I think it's bad for you.

60 posted on 04/05/2005 2:31:50 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (My P226 wants to teach you what SIGnify means ...)
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