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Protestant Theologian: He Was My Pope, Too
christianity today ^ | 04.04.05 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 04/05/2005 10:01:52 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: DaveyB
Luther should never of stopped Tetzel after all indulgences are the best fund raiser since bingo

Hehehehehehehe!

21 posted on 04/05/2005 11:31:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod

You seem to think that Catholics worship the Pope. WE don't.

Certainly, we revere him. Certainly he is held in the highest of esteem, but "worship", no.

Worship is reserved for God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.


22 posted on 04/05/2005 11:33:04 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Worship is reserved for God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

And Mary.

worship
noun

1. The act of adoring, especially reverently.
2. Deep and ardent affection.

verb

1. To regard with great awe and devotion.
2. To feel deep, devoted love for.


23 posted on 04/05/2005 11:38:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Devotion for Our Lady. Worship for Our Lord.


24 posted on 04/05/2005 11:40:50 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: Aussie Dasher
You seem to think that Catholics worship the Pope. WE don't.

Funny I was listening to the John Batchelor Show on WABC radio today and Lawrence Kudlow a recent convert to Catholicism twice mentioned that he worshipped the late Pope. Not withstanding your statement I wonder how many other Catholics would make the same claim?

25 posted on 04/05/2005 11:41:18 PM PDT by Doofer
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To: Doofer

I can't answer that, but I can tell you if they do, they shouldn't.

OTOH, it may be a term of endearment, in much the same way we might "worship" a girlfriend, football team, or even a political figure.


26 posted on 04/05/2005 11:45:24 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: Aussie Dasher
You seem to think that Catholics worship the Pope.

Uhhhhh....1st Pea in the Pod didn't say that.

27 posted on 04/05/2005 11:48:20 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

My apologies if I misread, but I took the strong inference.


28 posted on 04/05/2005 11:50:43 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Looks like you read something into it.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 11:54:23 PM PDT by what's up
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To: DaveyB

Amen to your post!


30 posted on 04/05/2005 11:59:06 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Campion
There were no "millions of martyrs," except in the fevered brains of Protestant polemicists.

We are not talking about the religious wars, but those who the Church deemed heretics and killed.

That stated very early and didn't end until the religious wars put an end to Rome's reign of terror.

31 posted on 04/06/2005 12:02:45 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: DaveyB

Pope John Paul II was responsible for all that?

Please, wait until at least next week before you dance on this great man's grave!


32 posted on 04/06/2005 12:03:06 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod
Only God is my Holy Father. His Son, Jesus Christ, is my Savior, and only hero. He saved me, and I owe all my praise and accolades to Him, and Him alone. There is only one church that Jesus Christ is the founder of, and that church doesn't own property on earth.

Amen!

33 posted on 04/06/2005 12:04:00 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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I know you're a good person, AD, and I respect Catholics like you. Please bear with us Protestants here. The concept of pope is one many of us likely will never agree with, because, to cut to the chase and put it in simplest terms possible, Catholics and Protestants come from different belief systems.

While I don't consider John Paul II "my" pope, I recognize he was *the* pope, a title which carries deep meaning for folks all over the globe. And while I consider people like those I see in church every Sunday as being on an equal level with the pope in terms of relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ, I recognize many other people looked towards John Paul II as the literal and/or symbolic leader of Christendom.

So it doesn't have to be a bad thing to disagree over this, as long as we're willing to put aside personal pride.


34 posted on 04/06/2005 12:04:47 AM PDT by k2blader (If suicide is immoral, then helping it happen, regardless of motivation, is also immoral.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Devotion for Our Lady. Worship for Our Lord.

You don't pray to her? (Hail Mary full of grace...)

She isn't considered the 'Queen of heaven'?

35 posted on 04/06/2005 12:06:39 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration

We do, and She is.

We pray that she will intercede with Her Son to grant our petition. No suggestion that She is God.


36 posted on 04/06/2005 12:08:43 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Yes, Catholics pray to Mary.

They don't consider Jesus sufficient. They feel they need another heavenly intercessor.

37 posted on 04/06/2005 12:10:21 AM PDT by what's up
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To: k2blader

I certainly had no intention of entering a full-blown theological debate when I first posted.

I respect all Christians of good-will, I merely point out that I regard the Pope as Christ's representative on earth, but a human being all the same. I do not expect His Holiness to rise from the dead anytime soon. Why would he? He is already with his Lord.


38 posted on 04/06/2005 12:11:59 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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To: Aussie Dasher
We do, and She is. We pray that she will intercede with Her Son to grant our petition. No suggestion that She is God.

You said you only worship God, yet you pray to Mary, which is itself act of worship that should only be directed to God Himself (1Tim.2:5)

39 posted on 04/06/2005 12:13:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: what's up

Jesus loves His mother. We may stand a better chance if She puts in a good word on our behalf. It's a simple proposition.


40 posted on 04/06/2005 12:13:37 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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