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Pope front-runner; Why Italian, 71, may get top job (favorite of John Paul 11, thinks like him)
DAILY NEWS ^ | April 9, 2005 | HELEN KENNEDY, STAFF WRITER

Posted on 04/10/2005 3:00:15 PM PDT by Liz

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To: Liz

He called for "placing in common the welfare and the goods of all, material and immaterial, physical and spiritual"
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How are we, as trying-to-be-good Catholics, to reconcile this with our political beliefs? Should moral trump political here?


21 posted on 04/10/2005 3:30:52 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: Petronski

Rubs me wrong, too. The Holy Spirit is supposed to choose, and I don't think it's swayed by bumper stickers!


22 posted on 04/10/2005 3:32:10 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: Petronski

There also needs to be a Pope that is going to take on the "gay mafia" in the Church and take a draconian stance on paedophiles.

In short, the Pope needs to have steel in his soul. I may be wrong, but I don't see much of that in this bunch of cardinals.

Regards, Ivan


23 posted on 04/10/2005 3:34:58 PM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan; Petronski
We need the Church to maintain a hardline stance, perhaps an even harder stance than it does at the moment, not surrender to political correctness.

Precisely. Could not agree more.

Political correctness is the club used by the Secular Taliban to beat back believers----to oust religionists of every faith from claiming their rightful place in the public square.

PC needs to be quashed every place it raises it ugly head-----whether church or state.

24 posted on 04/10/2005 3:35:25 PM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: Liz
If he becomes Pope, he'll be the rare one with a nudgy mom.

"Hi Mom! Guess what happened to me today?!"

(However I think I will stick with Cardinal Arinze.)

25 posted on 04/10/2005 3:36:04 PM PDT by Heatseeker (Requiem in Pacem, Ioannes Paulus Magnus)
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To: Liz

Remember the old warning concerning papal 'favorites':

"Enter a Pope, exit a Cardinal."


26 posted on 04/10/2005 3:36:50 PM PDT by hoagy62 (The reason for the Second Amendment is in case all the others fail.)
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To: pa mom
Yikes! Now I can't gamble either? :)

It's okay as long as the game belongs to you, rather than you belonging to the game.

27 posted on 04/10/2005 3:37:19 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Petronski

Sorry, can't reply now, my poker chips won't let me.


28 posted on 04/10/2005 3:38:41 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

*grin* Of course.


29 posted on 04/10/2005 3:39:58 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Liz

No chance. Speaks only Italian. Much has changed since the death of Pope Paul VI.


30 posted on 04/10/2005 3:40:09 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John (Save Chief Illiniwek! Still a great year! Does Ward Churchill support Chief Illiniwek?)
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To: Liz

Yea right! Listen to the handicappers, put your mortgage on the front runner and someone else will own your house.

How can anyone profess to know who the conclave might elect?!!!

Give me a break!!! sit back, relax and wait to see what happens!!

Bdad


31 posted on 04/10/2005 3:41:12 PM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: Liz
"One African child sick with AIDS counts more than the entire universe,"

Really?

32 posted on 04/10/2005 3:42:11 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: pa mom

The Holy Spirit isn't an "it", He's an "He".


33 posted on 04/10/2005 3:46:30 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: MadIvan

The Catholic Church, I lament to say, is really good at dropping the ball - look at the way Law was treated his clear mishandling of the sexual abuse situation in his region.

The church has a great opportunity to honor the parts of the world where their church is growing - Africa and Latin America. If they squander that in favor of a European (and Italian)

I don't think the church should select an African or South American simply for the sake of the fact that they are African or South American. That being said, there are fine candidates from those areas and it is time to pass them the ball, rather than revert to old habit (and needless to say, Italy and much of the rest of Europe are not places that their church is growing - if anything, it is shrinking).


34 posted on 04/10/2005 3:46:57 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: pa mom

Remember that the church's most compelling tenet is its acknowledgement of individual free will.

The Church can only tell you what they consider to be the methodology to live a relatively peaceful, stress-free life by following its teachings.

However, we have free will, and ultimately make our own decisions on how we shall live.

The Church's contention is that high-risk behavior like gambling has social and moral and consequences. If you engage in such activity, you should be prepered to suffer the consequences.


35 posted on 04/10/2005 3:48:19 PM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: mombonn

I actually thought of some funny responses to that. Something tells me some might be offended, though!


36 posted on 04/10/2005 3:48:51 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: MadIvan

Yeah, I'd much rather see a hardliner like Arinze as pope. And how great it would be to have an African pope! The African Catholics are in the front lines of a real religious war and are strong, hardened soldiers. They have much to teach the world. They deserve to be recognized and emulated.

I don't have a good feeling about this guy. He seems too "slick" and showy...


37 posted on 04/10/2005 3:51:15 PM PDT by stands2reason (When in doubt, err on the side of life.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Mmmmmm....that would militate against his chances.


38 posted on 04/10/2005 3:51:55 PM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: HitmanNY

I believe particular regions have propensities to particular views on doctrine and policy. Latin America was awash with "Liberation Theology" and as such, I'm very suspicious of most of the Cardinals from there.

Africa, in contrast, is highly conservative.

Regards, Ivan


39 posted on 04/10/2005 3:51:57 PM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan
I am suspicious of creeping liberalism in the Church. We need the Church to maintain a hardline stance, perhaps an even harder stance than it does at the moment, not surrender to political correctness.

I agree with you totally. Some of the odds-on favorites (to be Pope) sound like socialists. I don't like it that Tettamanzi is "liberal when it comes to issues of social justice". And that: 'He called for "placing in common the welfare and the goods of all, material and immaterial, physical and spiritual" - prompting a blistering editorial last year from the newspaper Il Foglio blasting "the Communism of Tettamanzi."'

We do NOT need a Pope who is a Socialist/Communist. Good grief! Pope John Paul II fought AGAINST Communism. And here we have a Cardinal who wants to bring it back!

40 posted on 04/10/2005 3:52:26 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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