Schiavo's 'Dr. Humane Death' Got 1980 Diagnosis Wrong

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/april/0412_schiavo_doctor1.shtml ^

[kcvl]

Schiavo's 'Dr. Humane Death' Got 1980 Diagnosis Wrong By Jeff Johnson CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer April 12, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- A neurologist hired by Michael Schiavo to confirm that his wife Terri was in a persistent vegetative state said he was "105 percent sure" of that diagnosis, but Dr. Ronald Cranford expressed similar certainty about a patient he examined in 1980 who later regained both consciousness and the ability to communicate.

Three days before Terri Schiavo's death, Cranford appeared on the MSNBC talk program, "Scarborough Country," to discuss her condition. Cranford was interviewed by reporter Lisa Daniels.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/april/0412_schiavo_doctor1.shtml

[maine-iac7]

My God, I hope this writer never made a mistake he might have learned from.

I'm a writer - and usually my skills don't threaten or worsen anyones life :O)

[ladylib]

No, it isn't and eventually people will start wondering if it's worth fighting for anymore.

[maine-iac7]

he was "105 percent sure" of that diagnosis, but Dr. Ronald Cranford expressed similar certainty about a patient he examined in 1980 who later regained both consciousness and the ability to communicate.

He made the same diagnosis in the Wendland case in Calif in 1997 - even tho the patient was conscience and could operate his wheel chair! Dr. Death gets around - seemingly with one agenda.

for info on the Wendland Case, that also made national headlines: paper, TV and Internet, see link and judges ruling below.

The Judge in this case went to see the patient in person before making his ruling. I have known this judge more than 30 years - a more intelligent, fair and compassionate man I have never known,) We need to keep the WEndland case in our evidence file along with Terri and Mae.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/robertsangels/WendlandToLive.html

[Ohioan from Florida]

When was Terri removed from her ventilator? Oh yes, sometime before she was released from the hospital in May 9, 1990. Her collapse was Feb. 25, 1990. By my count that is just over two months. What in the world are you using for facts?

Terri did begin recovery, and you are totally mistaken that she did not. It was only after she stopped receiving therapy that she backtracked at all.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/Discharge%20Summary%20050990.pdf

[HungarianGypsy]

I was ready the Bible with my children today. 1 Corinthians 12:19-30. It speaks of how ever member of the body is important no matter how much they can do.

[beezdotcom]

Dude, I usually don't hit on grammar or spelling - but her name has been spelled on 400 threads, including this one.

[geopyg]

"The challenges and costs of maintaining vegetative state patients will pale in comparison to the problems presented by Alzheimer’s disease." "The answer, he suggested, was physician-assisted suicide."




The challenges and costs of maintaining (FILL NAME OF FIRST APPROPRIATE GROUP) will pale in comparison to the problems presented by (FILL IN NAME OF SECOND APPROPRIATE GROUP).

"The answer, he suggested, was physician-assisted suicide."

[nevergore]

"Dude, I usually don't hit on grammar or spelling - but her name has been spelled on 400 threads, including this one"

Dude, I hope I spelled real good...

NeverGore :^)

[beezdotcom]

I guess I'm just more sensitive to the spelling of names. If somebody writes "skool", I generally know they mean "school". But when "Smith", "Smithe", "Smythe" all sound alike, spelling becomes more important.

Sorry to be pedantic.

[exDemMom]

Doctors do not know everything.

Exactly. The ones who claim they absolutely know and have all the answers are the ones people should stay away from--they are quacks!

[exDemMom]

At it is, it seems that we're not thinking at all.

I can think of one "doctor" in particular who is not thinking. Too bad some people let all that education go to their heads and think that having an advanced degree makes them gods.

[exDemMom]

Organ transplants need to outright outlawed in light of the potential abuse and complexities.

I'm against organ transplants because, when someone is put on a transplant list, that person then is actively hoping that another person, who is now healthy, will die. Even to save my own life, I cannot hope for the untimely death of another. I have written on the back of my driver's license, "not an organ donor." I want no part of that industry.

[Dante3]

BUMP

[Snoopers-868th]

I have always thought it was goulish. I think it has done much to get us to this point we are now. I saw a post that said organ donation is pro-life. Pro-life for whom? Actually, I discovered just today just what lengths we have gone to in the name of organ donation. It makes it even more repulsive. I predict it will be assumed everyone to be a doner and a person will have to opt out. This affects so many for so few--the deception--where are our politicians--where have the churches been--how has it gotten to this point so unnoticed? I am astounded, and if I could think of a bigger word that would be it.

I do not believe it will ever be outlawed, but it should certainly be reined in. At this rate I expect to see organ farms in the future.

[pollywog]

I was ready the Bible with my children today. 1 Corinthians 12:19-30. It speaks of how ever member of the body is important no matter how much they can do.

You are so right HG. And how precious that you spend time with your children in God's Word. It will make all the difference in their lives.

[Republic]

ABSOLUTELY!!! CLear and convincing! Stated with the eloquence of 'direct, bottom line wording'. Excellent!

[maine-iac7]

As we reported in our March 2000 Newsletter, a Newsday. 6/26/96 account of Dr. Dimancescu's "sensory stimulation" program which bombards patients with sounds, noises, smells and touch to stimulate the senses. In a 1993 article Dr. Dimancescu stated his program "produced a 91% arousal rate for prolonged coma patients compared to traditional medicine's 10% rate of arousal. He has treated 900 to 1000 patients over the years

one could well suppose this is the reason MS forbade any stimulation or wheelchair rides etc all those years - they knew she was unlikely to improve under those conditions.

>Indeed, I venture to guess that a perfectly normal person, shut away for over a decade in such conditions, would regress

It might be a good idea to have one of the nurses brochures about such stimulation and talking to, etc, therapy in our "Will to Live" file.

[maine-iac7]

But if I am to be labeled a right-wing nutjob to save an innocent life, so be it. We can't let Terri's death be in vain, we must speak up against this evil now.

Bless you, raving nutter.

You have a lot of company - pass the peanuts

[maine-iac7]

legally terminal.

actually, under their way of stretching the truth - we are ALL "legally terminal" in that we WILL all die one day - I just don't want any help doing it, thank you - and Dr. Death better not mess with my kids or they're liable to declare him brain dead - may even help him along to it

[maine-iac7]

great similarity points!