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To: Trout-Mouth
More articles for review:

Should We Be Dying to Donate?

"Non-heart beating organ donation" and the "vegetative state"

Vegetative State – Persistent or Reversible?

Note: Some recovered after 20 years!

Is this next?

UK Suggests Infanticide for Disabled Children; Suicide Pill

23 posted on 04/12/2005 9:19:37 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
OMG--I had no idea. Thank you so much for the links and the awakening. Seems I have been tooooo busy paying taxes and not enough attention to what is going on in the background.

If, organ donations are the cause of this terrible movement we are in an unsolvable position. When life and death cannot be defined and continues to evolve because of the influence of a few organizations I believe we are in a hopeless situation. Apparently, political affiliation does not seem to matter as our elected officials have let the minority rule.

35 posted on 04/12/2005 10:42:59 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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I just can't thank you enough for the links. I am so embarassed that I ever even THOUGHT I might have some thoughts about this subject. Little did I know that my idea of no heartbeat as being death was a boon to the organ transplant program. Silly me. Organ transplants need to outright outlawed in light of the potential abuse and complexities. How dare they make the recepient's life more valuable than the doner's life? I have multiple times said it is Frankenstein medicine and of that I am not embarassed.


38 posted on 04/12/2005 11:16:57 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: ravingnutter; backhoe

Ping to more pro-euthanisia madness links.


54 posted on 04/12/2005 1:15:41 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: ravingnutter
As we reported in our March 2000 Newsletter, a Newsday. 6/26/96 account of Dr. Dimancescu's "sensory stimulation" program which bombards patients with sounds, noises, smells and touch to stimulate the senses. In a 1993 article Dr. Dimancescu stated his program "produced a 91% arousal rate for prolonged coma patients compared to traditional medicine's 10% rate of arousal. He has treated 900 to 1000 patients over the years

one could well suppose this is the reason MS forbade any stimulation or wheelchair rides etc all those years - they knew she was unlikely to improve under those conditions.

>Indeed, I venture to guess that a perfectly normal person, shut away for over a decade in such conditions, would regress

It might be a good idea to have one of the nurses brochures about such stimulation and talking to, etc, therapy in our "Will to Live" file.

77 posted on 04/12/2005 8:49:10 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: ravingnutter; Trout-Mouth; exDemMom
Interesting links.

I too refused to check off the box on my driver's license that gives "consent" for organ donation.

I don't oppose all organ donation. But I stopped buying into the donation industry's feel-good slogans about "giving the gift of life" after I found out how such "consent" can be abused.

Did you know that in Washington, D.C., transplant procedures can be initiated on a patient who has NOT designated "consent for donation" on a driver's license, and whose family has NOT yet been contacted?

Washington Post: In D.C., Consent Not Required Before Transplant Preparation

When a gas pipe exploded at an Arlington construction site on Nov. 4, Juan Mancia took the brunt of the blast. The 20-year-old's heart stopped while he was being helicoptered to Washington Hospital Center, where he was declared dead upon arrival at 11:36 that morning.

At that moment, Mancia crossed the line from patient to potential organ donor. And at that moment, because of an unusual and controversial District law, surgeons converged on Mancia -- a man who had never consented to organ donation -- and started to prepare his kidneys for transplantation...

--Washington Post,"Demand for Organs Fosters Aggressive Collection Methods: In D.C., Consent Not Required Before Transplant Preparation," 11/24/97 (source)

More about the same patient, Juan Mancia, from "ABC Good Morning America," 11/25/97:

CHARLES GIBSON, Host: A controversial Washington, DC, law on organ donation is in the spotlight following the death of a construction worker.

After a man named Juan Mancia (ph) was killed [sic - article does not state whether Mr. Mancia had been found to be brain dead] in an accident, his wife found doctors had performed a surgical procedure to preserve his kidneys for transplantation, even though she had not authorized it, and he had never signed an organ donor card.

Now, Washington's the only place in the country with a law in use that allows doctors to prepare organs for transplantation without the family's consent.

Supporters say it is necessary to increase the supply of desperately needed organs. Critics say the law violates fundamental rights... (source)

This case got publicity only because Mr. Mancia's wife objected to what the doctors had done, and because Mr. Mancia was a foreign national.

103 posted on 04/13/2005 7:50:33 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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I am a possible candidate for kidney transplant. There's a real need for organ donors. If people who are alive and well would be willing to donate a kidney or part of a liver or whatever, you might not be seeing people's organs harvested like that. Think about it folks.


363 posted on 04/16/2005 9:02:43 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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