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Teen Killed In Baseball Bat Attack
KCAL9/AP ^ | Apr 13, 2005 1:38 pm US/Pacific

Posted on 04/13/2005 3:50:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: LibWhacker
Do you want to execute him?

Since you asked only one second after I posted, I suggest you see my post ante for my reasonable answer to your question.

ML/NJ

21 posted on 04/13/2005 4:13:54 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ladylib
Well, sorry, the Supreme Court said we can't put him to death.

Maybe you and the Supreme Court Five can help the family then?

I just don't understand why my expenses should go up when someone else commits a crime.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 04/13/2005 4:16:27 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

You might be right. I have no answer for you. We're getting into the question of when a person is too young to be executed. I just don't know, myself. There's a cutoff somewhere, I'm sure. For instance, I certainly wouldn't want to execute a two-year-old who shot his baby sister! But where to draw the line? I just don't know. Thirteen is awfully young.


23 posted on 04/13/2005 4:17:51 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ladylib

Likely he has been watching professional sports, where this kind of behaviour is fairly commonplace, and in fact incidents like Todd Bertuzzi who attacked another hockey player on the ice, broke his neck and was ready to beat him to death when other guys pulled him off, are shown over and over again on the "highlights reels" after a game -- and the players receive no punishment worthy of the name. Not to mention the NA$CAR drivers jumping up and down on each others' cars like the apes they are, and punching each other and photographers etc. who happen to get in their way.

It's too bad, but this is what they probably think is the way real sportsmen settle their differences.


24 posted on 04/13/2005 4:18:31 PM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: ml/nj

Hey, I don't understand why my school taxes go up and no one in my family uses the public schools.


25 posted on 04/13/2005 4:18:44 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: LibWhacker
I certainly wouldn't want to execute a two-year-old who shot his baby sister!

You cannot be whacking too many libs with sappy, slippery slope arguments such as this. We can deal with two year olds, when and if the situation arises.

Does anyone doubt that a 13 year old has known for a long time that it is very wrong to strike another person, or even a dog, with a baseball bat? That is what is being discussed here - not two year olds.

ML/NJ

26 posted on 04/13/2005 4:23:12 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: theDentist

Yes!! That's the difference between manslaughter and murder, one has intent the other doesn't...both put you behind bars for a long, long time...


27 posted on 04/13/2005 4:23:42 PM PDT by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: spinestein

I think murder goes beyond "behavioral problems".


28 posted on 04/13/2005 4:27:03 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ladylib
Hey, I don't understand why my school taxes go up and no one in my family uses the public schools.

Talk to your liberal friends who first forced common schools on the public, and now universal schools.

But given that we have to have them, those taxes you (and I) pay do mostly come back to us in the form of higher real estate prices. I wouldn't want the public school where I live to have a bad reputation.

(Wasn't this thread about a criminal?)

ML/NJ

29 posted on 04/13/2005 4:27:36 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: KJC1

I was walling through a hedge row into the middle of a horseshoe game caught it right in the side of the head funny thing didn't remember a thing guess i was just lucky


30 posted on 04/13/2005 4:29:01 PM PDT by MEpajamaMONSTER (Bad dawg baaad dawg)
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To: ml/nj
Does anyone doubt that a 13 year old has known for a long time that it is very wrong to strike another person, or even a dog, with a baseball bat?

No. You are certainly right on that point. I cannot argue. (Please don't make me turn in my libwhacking paddle!) :-)

31 posted on 04/13/2005 4:30:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: spinestein

Discipline. While we don't know if he's just a bad apple or not, most children these days are never physically punished. One of the reasons it's good for a father to smack his son up side the head when he misbehaves is to remind him that there's consequences for his actions. If he picks on someone, he gets smacked by a parent. The result is a reminder that what he does hurts others, and how would he like to be on the receiving end?


33 posted on 04/13/2005 4:33:04 PM PDT by Advil
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To: ml/nj

I don't have liberal friends who forced common schools on the public. A young couple can't even afford to buy a house in my area for less than $300,000 (and what they're going to get is a crummy tract house). Maybe if enough young people can't afford to live here, the school taxes problem will take care of itself.

About the criminal thread thing -- gee I'm so sorry I got off track.


35 posted on 04/13/2005 4:34:32 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: mlc9852
[I think murder goes beyond "behavioral problems".]



You're right about that.

I'm trying to imagine what was going on in this kid's head when he hit the other boy with the bat. I would guess he is a lot like an 11 year old boy that lives a few houses away from me who is not allowed to play with most of the other kids in the neighborhood because all the parents know how dangerous he is. He's not allowed on my property and I prohibit my 12 year old daughter from being around him because he sets fires, steals, punches and kicks other kids regardless of how big or small they are compared to him, and throws rocks and other heavy objects at people and property.

This boy lives with his mom and step-dad, and the man completely ignores him and the mom's response to other parents' complaints about his behavior is to make excuses for him. To him, his actions don't have no consequences. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be dead or in jail before his 21st birthday unless someone intervenes and forces some long overdue discipline on him.
37 posted on 04/13/2005 4:54:01 PM PDT by spinestein
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To: KJC1

"A kid hit me in the head with a baseball bat when I was a kid. He did it full-swing too (on purpose)..."

You are lucky to be alive! I remember watching a movie with hubby once and some guys were robbing a store and the robber just koshed the clerk on the head, and the clerk was dead. And I said "Oh, that couldn't just kill you!" and hubby said "Or course it could! What do you think they mean when they say 'blunt force trauma'?" So we are rather more fragile than I realized.

Glad you were/are OK!

What happened to the little psycho who hit you?


38 posted on 04/13/2005 4:55:33 PM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again!)
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To: spinestein

It's sad that there are kids being raised like that, and I fear with the breakdown of the family in America, we will only see more. Women with multiple kids by multiple fathers. No male role models for young boys. That's asking for problems.


39 posted on 04/13/2005 4:56:30 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: LibWhacker
Thirteen is awfully young.

As long as a person graduates grammar school, the person has no excuse for not knowing the difference between right and wrong. Fry him.

40 posted on 04/13/2005 4:57:06 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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