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Bush: No passports at borders
Fox.com ^ | 4/15 | Fox News

Posted on 04/15/2005 6:49:37 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility

WASHINGTON — Plans requiring passports from people entering the United States don't pass muster with President Bush

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: border; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; illegal; illegalaliens; immigration; minuteman; passports
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To: Alex Marko
the Majority of america are moderate thinkers. The danger for both parties are ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal voters hijacking the party.We as GOP voters have to realize that. We should not make the same mistake as the DNC did.

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Sorry-how does this address Jeb Bush's viability as a future Republican candidate?

101 posted on 04/15/2005 7:41:27 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Personal Responsibility; TomGuy; Alex Marko; ClintonBeGone; Marine Inspector
Were not Americans anymore were Globians!

Definition: Globian

One who considers oneself a citizen of the world, not restricted to borders - a globian.

Meet the Globian's

Globalian's want open border with no checkpoints.

Do you want to become a Globian?

102 posted on 04/15/2005 7:43:05 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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To: ClintonBeGone
"How about we first fire border patrol agents that let these people in?"

I'm behind this 100%. . .if we know that the agent let an illegal (or illegals) walk right by. But it is not fair to hold border patrol agents responsible for illegals who get through because there aren't enough agents.

103 posted on 04/15/2005 7:43:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; Marine Inspector
"From the folks I know up there, getting a passport is not the something you can do easily."

From my experience of acquiring passports and visas, it isn't a cakewalk here either - hence why it's recognized as the most secure personal document in the world, thus the desire it be required as an international travel document.

104 posted on 04/15/2005 7:45:10 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Personal Responsibility

What the f**k?


105 posted on 04/15/2005 7:46:35 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: sheana

"You can't get thru by just saying "I am an American". Everytime I have reentered the country I have had to show an ID. A driver's license is sufficient."

Yes you can actually. I have family in Elpaso and on visits there we crossed into Juarez and on two occasions when returning the border guard simply had us state we were Americans and let us pass...no passport, no papers, no questions. I was quite surprised, there is zero serious security at the border.


106 posted on 04/15/2005 7:46:47 AM PDT by crab-boy
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To: Alex Marko

The wishes of the majority hardly seem to matter on this subject.

The hijacking or ignoring of the issue is a top-down affair.


107 posted on 04/15/2005 7:47:42 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Can't have positive ID for the purposes of voting either. Wouldn't want to discriminate against criminals or the stupid, would we?

"Liberalism is a mental disorder" (Michael Savage).


108 posted on 04/15/2005 7:47:49 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Personal Responsibility
Now we should not ask for passports because it might inconvienience people and take some time? This is nuts!

You are aware that passports are not being required now and have never been as far as I know to cross over from say El Paso to Juarez, right?

109 posted on 04/15/2005 7:47:53 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: upchuck
From the article:
"Bush's birth certificate might help run 16 million Canadians out of the United States and expedite flow of Mexican traffic into Texas where flexible Anne McLellan measures a partner".
It's all there in the article.
110 posted on 04/15/2005 7:47:56 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Personal Responsibility

As far as canada is concerned there are actual treaties with regard to this. A DL and Voter registration card gets you in.

It is a technical point but this works both ways to both countries. So until the USA annexes Canada, we have to consider that as part of the mix. It may well be the Canadians want to require passports too so the treaties can be redone with respect to that clause.


111 posted on 04/15/2005 7:49:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MACVSOG68
Their intention is what they wrote.

What is so hard to understand about that? They frigging wrote it; stop defending a troll. Or are you one as well??
112 posted on 04/15/2005 7:49:14 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: sheana

I have a story about this that still pisses me off to this day.
I am stationed in Germany and was flying back to the States about a year and a half ago with my German girlfriend to visit my mother and brother. We were flying into NYC, I think it was at LaGuardia Airport. Anyway, when our plane landed we were instructed to go to get our passports ready to present for entry, being that it was an international flight. So, my girlfriend went to the line for non-US citizens and I went to the line for US citizens. When I got up to the little booth to show my passport, the guy asked me what the address I was going to be at. I told him that I didn't know because I was visiting my mother who had recently moved and she would be at the airport to pick me up. I also showed him my military ID card and again told him that I was stationed in Germany and here, in my country, to visit my family. At this point he told me that I could not enter and that I had to wait somewhere over in the back so he could handle the line that had formed behind me. I told him that I am a citizen of this country, I am in the US Army, showed him my passport and military ID again, and asked to know for what reason he was not letting me in. No answer. Just wait in the back I was told. So, I was mad beyond belief at this point but I stepped aside and waited in the back. After a few minutes I walked back up to the booth to see what was going on and the agent told me that he would get to me when he got to me and that if I bothered him again that he might not be in any hurry to help. So, I waited, and waited, and waited, for 1 hour and nothing. During this time, I saw that my girlfriend had been able to get in with absolutely no problems, she just said that she was with her boyfriend who is American and that she is here as a tourist. Finally, after waiting for an hour, I completely lost it. I went up to the nearest guard/agent/whatever, and demanded to know just why in the hell I was being denied entry after showing my passport and military ID and why the hell it is any of their damn business what address that I, a US citizen entering the country, will be staying at. I literally lost it at this point and a couple of other guards/agents came over to see what was going on. Then, after explaining my situation for what must have been the twentieth time, they decided that they said that they would be "nice" and let me into my own country. Words still cannot describe just how mad I was at this point and how mad I still am today about this crap.


113 posted on 04/15/2005 7:50:28 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: Alex Marko

Moderates are wishey washey, go-with-the-flow-followers.
Can you name any real leader that that is moderate?


114 posted on 04/15/2005 7:51:24 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: trisham
I have only witnessed ignorance and knee jerk reactions like the ones I am seeing around here on liberal forum boards in the past. With the dates of the sign-ups, it appears that they have tried to bring their hysteria here.
115 posted on 04/15/2005 7:51:43 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Marine Inspector

I didn't say I was required to pay it, I said I was unwilling to pay it.

I would also hope that prices drop as a result of this.


116 posted on 04/15/2005 7:55:38 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: wk4bush2004

In the entire history of botht the U.S. and Canada, a passport has never been required of citizens of one country to have a passport to enter from the other. The commuter and busines relationship between Canada and the U.S. is intense with millions of crossings at single crossing points every year. Checking passports is not practical for either nation. Canadians are also excempt from getting visas from embassies and are excempt from the fingerprinting requirements. When the border was closed after 9/11, the auto industry, as well as many others, shut down in the U.S. and Canada. 100,000's of layoffs were planned if the border wasn't opened ASAP. The economies of both countries depend on expidited border crossing. That's why the border was opened long before flights were resumed. Shutting down the airlines was less costly economically than interrupting border crossings.


117 posted on 04/15/2005 7:56:10 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

While I wish he had left it alone, he did add wiggle room to his comments.


118 posted on 04/15/2005 7:58:55 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (...stumbling across Bill Bennett on the radio is like bumping into Socrates at Starbucks.-K.Parker)
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To: Personal Responsibility
I understand what GWB was saying. Bush doesn't want to hinder legal trade traffic or inflict undue prejudice against legal immigrants or citizens of the United States. He isn't saying he wants a free pass for illegals, and is willing to increase the border patrol per his statement.

I am for major border enforcement and the effort of the MMP.

I do not support the guest worker program until all illegals have been removed, the border secured, and guest workers are limited and controlled in a way that puts American citizens first in all cases with no exception.

I support my president, I don't follow blindly, and I will not act like a liberal rat to make my point on issues in which I disagree with him. He is our leader, and depends on us to let him know when we agree or disagree, he doesn't depend on us to eat our own i.e. one step forward, two steps back.
119 posted on 04/15/2005 8:00:26 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: demkicker

The U.S. and Canadian economies are intimitely tied together and depend on cross border trade. Like I mentioned earlier, when the border was closed after 9/11, it shut down cross border trade. That shut down a good chunk of the industry in the mid-west U.S. and southern Canada. Stopping 'just in time' parts shipments shut down the entire auto and steel industries in 24 hours for starters. Shutting down the airlines was less costly to the economy than shutting down the border.


120 posted on 04/15/2005 8:01:08 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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