Posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:40 AM PDT by A. Pole
Book Four, Chapter Two.
Not a surprise that PJB got it right, by the way...
Homework assignment, Rudeboy--you're still in grad school, right? OK. Disprove Smith. (Or Samuelson...)
Bush got more votes than other person in history. The GOP has controlled the house and state governorships for around a decade. With the exception of traitor Jim Jeffords (which was NOT won at the ballot box), the GOP has also controlled the senate.
Voting patterns of the last 25 years, for the most part, have indicated a GOP resurgence and democrat collapse.
"You have a better one? Please, enlighten us!!"
Depending on the data used in the discussion, the wage can be a few dollars per worker. Granted you don't have the wage levels you have here or the total compensation packages, but it ain't no "$0.30 an hour" in China.
Let me ask you this, is it more acceptable for me to automate a mfg. facility and eliminate jobs or is more acceptable to move jobs to lower cost regions of the world?
"Such as?" Pooling of resources by multiple generations or multiple workers or multiple families. Imaginations are sometimes able to find solutions to transportation problems.
"However, Forbes Magazine is not much more optimistic about GM's market position in the USA than I am."
There is a big difference between GM's market and the US total market. Which one do you want to discuss?
"Tell us what are the big job needs are in your area? Mine are automotive and truck driving."
So, the steel tariffs didn't save the high paying steel mill jobs in your state?
Correction
"Depending on the data used in the discussion, the wage can be a few dollars per worker."
Should read per hour.
That's the point.
Free trade promised that high tech jobs would replace all those factory jobs. In the age of NAFTA they believed that all those displaced factory workers could just go to community college and study Visual Basic and become web programmers. Well, now there is outsourcing and those high tech jobs are being shipped overseas.
Half your labor force is composed of people of average or sub average intelligence. Not everyone is college material. In the Golden Age such people could just get jobs at the factory and be stable, productive citizens for life. They could buy a house, go away on vacation, have health insurance, and retire on a pension. Now, they do crystal meth as they drift from McJob to McJob. One of these days, the Democrats are going to stress restoring the old days of the job at the factory over sodomite marriage. And when they do, get ready for New Deal II.
Which steel tariffs during which period of time? Sometimes when the result is bad the cause is not the tariff.
You do realize tariffs are in effect now? The steel industry wants to keep them, close off exemptions, and severely curtail the export of scrap metal to competitor nations. They say jobs are being saved and the breathing space is allowing them to rebound.
The automotive industry folks are not so pleased. They say the tariff is costing jobs, causing them to import finished components, raising their costs, making them less competitive.
Ah . . . the agony of tradeoffs.
Oh I agree with you on that point totally. Free trade was supposed to mean trading goods between countries. Instead the only thing America is exporting are its jobs - and important ones in technology and defense. Its like America is selling scrap metal to Japan in the 1930's.
The decline of the Democrats was caused by a blunder.
NAFTA.
Clinton believed in free trade and the arguments for free trade. So did all of elite opinion, Republican and Democrat. Problem is, the working class base never agreed with free trade because they know that Desi Sixpack and Chan Sixpack will do the same jobs for a fraction of the money that Joe Sixpack gets and they can't compete with that. But Clinton made the decision to turn his back on them and won a victory that did not profit him politically in the least.
From then on, it was all downhill for Democrats because they had shown disdain for the economic interests and now the moral values of Joe Sixpack. The Clinton era Democratic party only cared about college educated knowledge workers. It was smugly assumed that only non-college educated people would be economically displaced and who cares about them ? That is a fixable problem, as Hillary realizes with her 27% tariff. A Democratic Party that talked more of jobs and protectionism than free trade and sodomite marriage could get Joe Sixpack back.
Hey don't change the subject. Your turn. What are the job ads are in YOUR newspaper?
[US Steel, Bethlehem steel were long gone before the tariffs came went. A too late election gesture was no help.]
What has the Tariff done for Budd, Philadelphia? Does it look like a ghost town yet?
As Racehorse put it, the tariffs are doing nothing but subsidizing one industry at the expense of other manufacturers.
Why not support reduction of government intervention in the market by reducing taxation, regulations, etc. instead of supporting more government meddling with tarrifs?
At least 2 of my posts to you have concurred with the above. Your having posted this to me makes me believe you did not read them.
Pat saw this coming years ago. Same on immigration.
As a citizen in a free country, the right to choose, and not to follow, is everything. OTOH, in a free country, there is no right to anything that must be provided by government, including the right of a worker to a "highest standard of living."
When we reach the point in time where our rights are provided by our rulers, we have reached the point in time where our rights are chains.
So what jobs has free trade created in your newspaper?
Engineering and Manufacturing jobs are available.
Thank you for the links. Nevertheless, communism does not really stand for free trade, even if captive states behind the iron curtain were restricted from imposing tariffs on each other.
My point is that even though the dissolution of trade barriers can accompany the dissolution of sovereign barriers, there is no necessity that they must, nor does one cause the other.
However, I have stated that it is in our interest to protect industries needed for national defense.
I'm even more surprised that they admit to it. I want to know what are the guiding principles of a freeper who can agree with Karl Marx on trade. I also want to know his position on not just free trade, which clearly cannot exist without both sides operating under similar parameters, but I also want to know his position on the free market and competition.
In what newspaper?
Please give a detailed refutation. I was a free-trader, but I'm growing alarmed at the loss of our industrial base - and at outsourcing of hi-tech jobs. I'd like to be assured that Buchanan is wrong, but condeming his column as "BS" doesn't offer the assurances I'd like to see. Please give some details, at an adult level, as to why Buchanan is wrong.
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