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Santorum reads nuke polls, applies the brakes
The Hill ^ | 4/21/2005 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 04/21/2005 6:51:36 AM PDT by wjersey

Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), a leading advocate of the “nuclear option” to end the Democrats’ filibuster of judicial nominees, is privately arguing for a delay in the face of adverse internal party polls.

Details of the polling numbers remain under wraps, but Santorum and other Senate sources concede that, while a majority of Americans oppose the filibuster, the figures show that most also accept the Democratic message that Republicans are trying to destroy the tradition of debate in the Senate.

The Republicans are keeping the “nuclear” poll numbers secret, whereas they have often in the past been keen to release internal survey results that favor the party. David Winston, head of the Winston Group, which conducts Senate GOP polls, did return phone calls seeking comment.

Confirming public disquiet over the “nuclear” or “constitutional” option, Santorum said, “Our polling shows that.” But, he added, public thinking had been muddied by what he called false Democratic arguments that checks and balances were being eroded.

“People see checks and balances as Democrats checking Republicans, not the legislative checking the executive or the judiciary checking the legislative,” Santorum said. Filibustering presidential nominees was not something the Founding Fathers envisioned as a tool for balancing power between the branches, he argued. In other words, Democrats have managed to convince the public of their right to check Republicans in the Senate.

Santorum’s raising of reasons that Republicans should delay the constitutional option may surprise conservative activists who count him as one of the most passionate advocates for the tactic in the Senate.

“There is no doubt that Santorum was the backbone of this from the very beginning, and he continues to be,” said Manuel Miranda, head of the National Coalition to End Judicial Filibusters, an alliance of more than 200 conservative groups working on the judges issue.

Many Republicans and conservative activists had thought the Senate GOP leadership would trigger the tactic next week to end the judicial filibuster. The nominees considered most appropriate for such a historic procedural maneuver, Priscilla Owen and Janice Rogers Brown, are expected to be discharged from the Judiciary Committee later this week.

Conservative activists said they received word last week to ramp up their communication efforts on the constitutional option with the goal of having their activity peak next week, before the May recess. Also last week, a New York Times report citing senior Senate lawmakers bolstered the expectation that the showdown would happen next week.

Santorum said he has left the timing to Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.).

“I’ve been suggesting one way or the other we need to make a decision. I haven’t said [a] longer or shorter” timeframe should be followed, he said.

But GOP aides said Santorum has made known to the leadership reasons for why Republicans should not move forward on the nuclear or constitutional option.

“He was concerned that too many things are competing in the same area and you couldn’t get a clean shot at it,” a GOP aide said. The aide cited the “fallout” from congressional Republicans’ intervening in a Florida court’s decision to remove Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube and the subsequent controversy caused by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s (R-Texas) statement that “the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior.”

Democrats portrayed that statement as an incitement against judges, and it resulted in a spate of media critiques of DeLay and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who made a speech on the Senate floor raising the question of why judges are targets of violence.

Senate and House Democrats have woven the Republican intervention in the Schiavo issue, DeLay’s statement about judges who declined to save her life, and GOP consideration of the nuclear option into a broad message that Republicans are abusing power. John Bolton’s stalled nomination to become U.N. ambassador has also become a distraction.

“There’s not a clean slate and backdrop” for the nuclear option, a GOP aide said, summarizing Santorum’s observations. “But while Santorum is saying too many things are competing in the same realm, others are saying they highlight the issue” of judges by demonstrating how the makeup of the judiciary affects national debates, for example.

Another GOP aide said Santorum is less concerned with the fallout from the Schiavo case than with addressing several more items on the legislative agenda before Democrats tie the Senate in knots, as they have threatened to retaliate against a rule change.

“There’s important business our guys have to get out of the way,” the aide said, adding, “Our guys want to give every chance for some negotiated compromise to be explored” to avoid gridlock.

Santorum said, “We have a lot of work to get done.”

But the aide denied that the “messaging environment” is giving Republicans second thoughts about the nuclear or constitutional option. Republicans would craft their message to their actions, not their actions to a poll-tested message, the aide added.

But GOP polling shows that Americans have swallowed the Democrats’ and liberal groups’ message on the constitutional option, the sources say.

“If anything is bad, it is that the American public has bought the misinformation campaign that we’re trying to take away the filibuster,” the aide said. “The campaign has caused misinformation, and that’s where we have a messaging challenge.”


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To: RockinRight
We'd be better off with James Inhofe as Senate Majority Leader and Mike Pence as Speaker of the House, but I digress...

Inhofe is one of my favorites. He'd be a great Majority Leader.....

41 posted on 04/21/2005 7:10:31 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: FlipWilson
The Republicans blew it by focusing on the wrong issues. If they'd kept Congress in session over Easter break to pass some more tax cuts (including ones that significantly benefit the middle class), then I'd want the concession to sell copies of Final Exit in front of DNC HQ.
42 posted on 04/21/2005 7:10:37 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: wjersey

You guys keep doing the same thing over and over again and somehow expect a different result.

If you want to get something different, you are going to have to DO something different.

http://www.constitutionparty.com


43 posted on 04/21/2005 7:10:43 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: FlipWilson
But, once again I have to ask, where is the President on this one?

Good question. Why can't the Republicans speak with ONE voice on issues this important? Talking points work! Where are the GOP's talking points? And can't our President PRACTICE a good speech on this very topic so that he gets his message across and the American people can see that the democrats are hijacking the judiciary?

This is important, damnit, and I'm sick of Republicans cowering away from a fight worth fighting!
44 posted on 04/21/2005 7:11:31 AM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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To: All

Polls are not an excuse, 'k? We all have been around long enough to know how meaningless these polls are. It's nothing but a weak excuse for them not to do their job.

The base made their voice known election day. They voted on paper ballots in the ultimate poll to fix the filibusters against nominees. Everything else is meaningless.

Come '06 we'll make our votes known again, and they will pay for their cowardice.


45 posted on 04/21/2005 7:12:40 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

The GOP will probably enact controverisal measure too late, when it become an emergency, and it'll still be fresh on the voter's minds (due to the media accomplices on the left).


46 posted on 04/21/2005 7:13:41 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: wjersey
There was a thread yesterday about Santorum being in re-election trouble next year. After this, who cares? I hope the RINO loses to Democrat. Better the devil you know than one you don't.
47 posted on 04/21/2005 7:15:08 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: wjersey
"On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who, at the dawn of victory, sat down to rest, and resting, died."

- Author Unknown (but obviously someone who was familiar with Republican Senators)

48 posted on 04/21/2005 7:15:30 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Antoninus

Exactly.

They want to be the Minority, we'll give them what they want. They can kiss their perks goodbye. They are going to be sent packing back home to their states.


49 posted on 04/21/2005 7:15:44 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: MamaLucci
"They never seem to learn that when they LEAD, people follow. At present, the GOP HAS no leader."


Frist has made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that he is running for the presidency.

The same media that's slamming him for considering the change in senate rules is the same media that will paint him as a lackluster leader in 2008 for refusing to do it.

The best bet is to enact the change now, so that it'll be old news in 2008.
50 posted on 04/21/2005 7:16:09 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: wjersey

Its funny how a poll is a deterrent to decisiveness. I am sorry but between the judges, SS reform and John Bolton but the Republicans can blame only themselves. As for Santorum, he has definitely seemed wishy washy lately


51 posted on 04/21/2005 7:17:48 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: Preachin'
The best bet is to enact the change now, so that it'll be old news in 2008.

Agree, totally. In fact, they've already waited too long.

52 posted on 04/21/2005 7:20:03 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: wjersey
Republicans are trying to destroy the tradition of debate in the Senate

I wonder what "debate" they are referring to.

53 posted on 04/21/2005 7:20:28 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Soul Seeker
I hope they are prepared for the bloodbath in '06. No action, no vote, no Majority, no re-election.

If Republicans can't muster up any courage and continue to stick their fingers in the wind, then I predict they won't see what hit them in '06. You can bank on the fact many that conservatives will just sit this one out.

Here's the bottom line: The clock is ticking on the Bush presidency. Democrats are trying to run out the clock until they can declare Bush officially as a lame duck and say, with a straight face, that the Senate should now wait until the next election to select judges. While the clock continue to run, Republicans scurry around not knowing what to do and worrying what the NYTimes will say.

Ya know what? No nominees, no judges, and NO VOTE in '06.

Let the Dems take over. If Republicans can't lead, they don't deserve to be in office. I am sick and tired of Republicans who are afraid of their own shadow, while Democrats get away with murder and seem unafraid of it.

54 posted on 04/21/2005 7:21:03 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: demkicker
As I posted earlier on another thread - second terms usually turn out badly, e.g. Reagan and Iran Contra, Clinton and Lewinsky, Nixon and Watergate. GW's second term has started out poorly, and is sinking fast.

Hubris may be an explanation for his rotten performance so far. He thought that be winning reelection and by having a very favorable election in Iraq, he could conquer the unconquerable - the Social Security mess. So all his energies have been wasted on the unwinnable, and his political capital has been squandered.

So what do we have -- a lame duck president who cannot even get confirmation of his UN ambassador and his judges. Meanwhile his foolish position on illegals will split the party and will render his presidency at best ineffectual for the next three years.

Disgusted and frustrated.
55 posted on 04/21/2005 7:21:46 AM PDT by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: MamaLucci
"Agree, totally. In fact, they've already waited too long."


I know that there aren't many true republicans in DC, but by far the worst are the New England variety.

I'd love to see a real grassroots effort to for electing real republicans there.

They really are Frist's biggest problem.
56 posted on 04/21/2005 7:26:13 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: conservativehistorian

Hubris? I know of only one side that uses that word in definition of this President. Sure you are on the right site?

The President isn't sinking.

The Republican Majority is sinking. It's sinking because the cowards we elected in Congress can not get their act together and govern as the Majority.


57 posted on 04/21/2005 7:26:54 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

I sadly have to agree.

The Republicans are spineless. they have the Presidency and both houses of Congress and are squandering the opportunity. During the election we all banded together, but the Republicans seem intent on alienating their base. And they won't pick up a single Democrat vote by doing so.

The Republicans need the Democrats to fall on their face in order to stay in power. The Democrats usually oblige by doing something stupid or by overplaying their hand. But we can't depend on the Dems to screw up all the time.

I hope I'm wrong about this. But it's very demoralizing.


58 posted on 04/21/2005 7:27:03 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: MamaLucci

...or President.


59 posted on 04/21/2005 7:27:40 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: proxy_user

Agreed! The filibuster has some use - if 40% disagree strongly enough to dig their heels in, maybe they should be given a chance to be heard. But no one's making a case - just blocking. And the Republicans seem intent to wither and cave on everything. If they do, will they really deserve to stay in power?

They need to stick to principles! That's why people voted for them! No one respects a wimp.


60 posted on 04/21/2005 7:29:08 AM PDT by cvq3842
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