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To: kennyo
You're playing semantics.

No I'm not. You're just po'd and confused because some of your long held, but erroneous beliefs are, in fact, wrong!

Federalist 44-

The Federalist paper No. 44, is not the law of the land, the Constitution is. The use of the word "rights" in these papers were for the popular understanding of the times to a not entirely literate society. See the wording of the 9th Amendment and you see the Founding Fathers make a direct connection between "the people" and "rights". Rights are superior to "powers" and that is why the distinction.

If you actually believe that powers and rights are interchangeable and mean the same thing, then you have just condemned this country to become the totalitarian society that we all fear. The Left believes that government has "rights". The concept of rights and powers is the struggle against the socialists that we are engaged in. Socialists/Collectivists believe that government has "right's".

Are you one of those that claim that "rights" are implied?

No.

I am one of those who believes that I was born with rights,

So am I!

Far from granting rights,we in America believe that rights precede government,...

I agree. Rights existed before government.

...and that governments are established to preserve those rights.

Yes, governments are empowered by the governed to protect rights that existed before government.

And the authority comes from the consent of the governed.

Yes, with "the people", where ultimately, all rights and powers reside.

So what's your beef?

120 posted on 04/27/2005 4:14:52 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko

You are very confused!


130 posted on 04/28/2005 1:39:47 PM PDT by kennyo
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