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US split widens as judge bans abortion for a 13-year-old girl
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 5/1/05 | Simon English

Posted on 05/01/2005 7:21:19 AM PDT by madprof98

America's division over abortion deepened further yesterday after a Florida court prevented a 13-year-old girl in a care home from terminating her pregnancy. The girl, known as LG, has made it clear she wants an abortion to which she would appear legally entitled, but has had her wishes blocked by state officials who argue she lacks the maturity to make a decision.

The case pits civil liberties groups against the religious right in clear echoes of the case of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman whose feeding tube was removed only after a ferocious legal battle.

LG is known to be more than 13 weeks pregnant, meaning that anti-abortion groups know how long they need to force a delay before a termination becomes difficult.

James Green, of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), said: 'This child has made a clear choice; she has expressed it to the judge. There is no indication she is incompetent. We believe this is wrong as a matter of constitutional law and as a matter of good guardianship.'

The girl was due to have an abortion next Tuesday until Florida's Department of Children and Families, the agency responsible for her care, obtained an injunction.

LG has run away from state homes on several occasions, at one point going missing for more than a month, during which time it is understood she became pregnant.

The judge who granted the injunction is furious that the DCF didn't even alert the police that the girl was missing.

Judge Ronald Alvarez said: 'To say I am angry is an understatement.'

LG was taken away from her parents four years ago. Although psychologists have already agreed that the girl does not have any mental problems, the court has ordered another evaluation.

A spokesman for Florida Right to Life said: 'There is a rush to abort. To get rid of the evidence. Who impregnated her? You do not consent to sex at the age of 13.'

The Bush administration, which owes much of its electoral support to religious groups that find abortion abhorrent, described the situation as 'tragic' but believes Florida officials are acting in the girl's best interests. Lawyers acting on the girl's behalf have filed an appeal to let the abortion proceed.

Richard Wexler of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform said: 'I hope they move very, very quickly because every day is another day of emotional torment for this child and every day the pregnancy continues, it becomes more dangerous.'

Abortion is probably the most politically explosive issue in America. This week alone there were at least two separate rows over the display of anti-abortion messages, with each side accusing the other of hate speech.

On Tuesday, a teenage girl wearing a T-shirt that featured a picture of a foetus' head above the words 'abortion kills kids' was sent home from her school in Tennessee.

The American Life League gave away 15,000 of the T-shirts to be worn last Tuesday, supposedly National Pro-Life day.

Pro-life organisations say they encourage children to get actively involved in the issue because they are "survivors of the abortion holocaust".

Meanwhile, the ACLU sued the state of Ohio for issuing car licence plates reading 'choose life'. It claims this is discrimination because there are no pro-choice plates.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abortion; ruling; teens
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1 posted on 05/01/2005 7:21:20 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
...13 weeks pregnant...

Heartbeat, brain waves. Show the kid a sonogram.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

2 posted on 05/01/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: rhema; JohnHuang2; Dataman; xzins; grellis

Ping for what will doubtless be a brief and passing moment of sanity in Florida.

And a class example of heavily biased "reporting."

Dan


3 posted on 05/01/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: madprof98

She can legally murder her own child, but can't legally hold a job or have a beer.

Alice in America, 2005


4 posted on 05/01/2005 7:27:25 AM PDT by thoughtomator (SUVs have no place as passenger vehicles - ban them from urban and suburban areas)
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To: madprof98
Meanwhile, the ACLU sued the state of Ohio for issuing car licence plates reading 'choose life'. It claims this is discrimination because there are no pro-choice plates.

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What would we do without the ACLU? Good grief.

5 posted on 05/01/2005 7:27:31 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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class = classic


6 posted on 05/01/2005 7:27:32 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: madprof98



You can't on the one hand say a girl of 13 isn't capable of making a choice to have sex yet at the same time allowing them to make life and death decisions.


7 posted on 05/01/2005 7:28:18 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: madprof98

>ACLU, said: 'This child has made a clear choice<

Hey idiot, 13 is NOT the age of majority in ANY state!

And by the way, who is being prosecuted for statutory rape?


8 posted on 05/01/2005 7:30:39 AM PDT by G Larry (Aggressively promote conservative judges!)
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To: SouthernFreebird

---You can't on the one hand say a girl of 13 isn't capable of making a choice to have sex yet at the same time allowing them to make life and death decisions. ---

So the courts will have to strike down the age of consent statutes in order to preserve the sacred right to have an abortion. :^O


9 posted on 05/01/2005 7:32:58 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: trisham
Meanwhile, the ACLU sued the state of Ohio for issuing car license plates reading 'choose life'. It claims this is discrimination because there are no pro-choice plates.

Odd, because that plate IS pro-choice, it's encouraging one of the many choices available. The ACLU should have one that reads "Choose Death" if they want equal time. I know Judge Greer in Florida would buy one.

10 posted on 05/01/2005 7:33:38 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: trisham

Let them have their own license plate - "I support killing babies". Don't think they'd have too many takers.


12 posted on 05/01/2005 7:36:16 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ElkGroveDan
The ACLU should have one that reads "Choose Death" if they want equal time. I know Judge Greer in Florida would buy one.

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You're right.

13 posted on 05/01/2005 7:36:19 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: AnotherOldMan

Doh, of course... boy how'd I miss that one!?


14 posted on 05/01/2005 7:38:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator (SUVs have no place as passenger vehicles - ban them from urban and suburban areas)
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To: mlc9852
Let them have their own license plate - "I support killing babies". Don't think they'd have too many takers.

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Exactly. The "pro-choice" crowd strongly believes in euphemisms. It's the only way they can survive.

15 posted on 05/01/2005 7:40:31 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: BibChr
And a classic example of heavily biased "reporting."

Like this?

The case pits civil liberties groups against the religious right

How about The case pits culture of death groups against the constitutional right to life?

OR

The case pits the darkest elements of our society against sanity itself.

16 posted on 05/01/2005 7:44:57 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: madprof98
Who is the Dad????

Last time i checked there needs to be a sperm donor. And can we rule out the possibility that she was artificialy inseminated? Good.

So who and where is the SD???

And doesn't this "Dad" have a say in this urgent decision?

Is he a member of the DCF faculty??

17 posted on 05/01/2005 7:45:30 AM PDT by corkoman (Overhyped)
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To: madprof98
This is the first report I've seen of a decision from the court. It seems contrary to the holding of North Florida Women's Health & Counseling v. State of Florida (FL, 2003).

Not only does a minor have a right to choose, it is against Florida common law, made at the highest level, to even require court permission for a minor to obtain an abortion. Further, it is against Florida common law to require a doctor to advise a parent of a minor's decision to have an abortion.

18 posted on 05/01/2005 7:50:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Dataman
That, yes. And this:

...T-shirts to be worn last Tuesday, supposedly National Pro-Life day

Dan

19 posted on 05/01/2005 7:57:12 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Cboldt

If that's true, will you people support this activist judge


20 posted on 05/01/2005 7:59:25 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: madprof98
This is the first report I've seen of a decision from the court. It seems contrary to the holding of North Florida Women's Health & Counseling v. State of Florida (FL, 2003).

... but has had her wishes blocked by state officials who argue she lacks the maturity to make a decision.

The first page of the above case notes that under the unconstitutional law, a minor must notify a parent, or in the alternative, must convince a court that she is sufficiently mature to make the decision herself, or if immature, that the abortion nevertheless is in her best interests."

This case rendered that law unconstitutional. This case did not hinge on the question of "maturity," but it appears that maturity is an irrelevant point, since a minor is entitled to obtain an abortion without consulting a court, without consulting her parents, and with no obligation on the part of the clinic to inform the parents.

21 posted on 05/01/2005 8:04:02 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: madprof98
The case pits civil liberties groups against the religious right in clear echoes of the case of Terri Schiavo,

There are no "clear echoes". There would be "clear echoes" if she was forced to have an abortion against her wishes.

22 posted on 05/01/2005 8:04:59 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: neutrality
If that's true, will you people support this activist judge

I provided a link to the case, so you can see if "it's true" or not for yourself.

I am very pro-life. I think the case is an abomination. But the Florida legislature and voters revere the Florida court system.

23 posted on 05/01/2005 8:06:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jim_Curtis

the biased writer misses the irony. The only echo of the Schiavo case is that the unborn baby is about to be removed from his/her life support system against her will.


24 posted on 05/01/2005 8:10:47 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: neutrality
If that's true, will you people support this activist judge

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Define "you people".

25 posted on 05/01/2005 8:11:26 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: trisham

I guess I should have used another word. Just a general question to no one in particular.


26 posted on 05/01/2005 8:15:26 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: G Larry

It's the "who, when & where" that's missing here. I'd guess some 40 year old "kind doctor" who has threatened her into getting an abortion.


27 posted on 05/01/2005 8:21:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Meanwhile, the ACLU sued the state of Ohio for issuing car license plates reading 'choose life'. It claims this is discrimination because there are no pro-choice plates.

The solution to this for the government should be to wait till the ACLU has expended a huge number of dollars to fight this, then announce (with a straight face) that the government has relented and is offering a "Choose choice" plate.

And watch the steam come out of the ACLU's ears.

-R

28 posted on 05/01/2005 8:22:32 AM PDT by talosiv
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To: madprof98
This is a signal that the Pro-Life movement has successfully integrated the legal tactics

of the bloodthirsty evil leftist PRO-slaugher-an-entire-generation-of-children-in-the-name-of-liberty movement.

29 posted on 05/01/2005 8:22:43 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: madprof98

This infuriates me. This child was raped. At 13 she cannot consent to sex. There is little chance that if she carries this child to term, she will allow it be adopted.

She will keep it because it's cute and now she has someone to love. How is that a good thing?


30 posted on 05/01/2005 8:28:12 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom
She will keep it because it's cute and now she has someone to love. How is that a good thing?

How is killing a baby a "good thing"??? You pro-death people are sick.

31 posted on 05/01/2005 8:31:36 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
At least there is hope that any emotional pain will be lessened over time, but what hope does an aborted baby have of living its life?
32 posted on 05/01/2005 8:33:09 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: trisham
Define "you people".

They used to say "you people" to put down African-Americans. (Remember Ross Perot's infamous speech.) These days, it is used to put down the most despised of all human beings in America: believing Christians.

33 posted on 05/01/2005 8:33:42 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
James Green, of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), said: 'This child has made a clear choice; she has expressed it to the judge. There is no indication she is incompetent.

I agree...This kid made a choice...A choice that got her pregnant...That was a bad choice...And now, she's made another bad choice...Good on the judge...

34 posted on 05/01/2005 8:35:18 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: madprof98

This case stinks both ways. But no one is looking beyond the birth of the baby. Ideally, she never would have gotten pregnant. My choice would be for her to adopt out the baby.

Unfortunately there is great bias against adoption in this country. Many, many folks believe giving up a child is wrong (even if they support abortion) and many many people believe that a child is better off with a "natural" mother no matter the circumstances.

Just look at how many people search for birth mothers. Until we change that attitude as well, we will not win the battle for life. Just ensuring that children are born is not enough.


35 posted on 05/01/2005 8:35:33 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Iscool

Good grief! She is 13. Under the law she cannot consent to sex. She was raped.

The best thing for both of them would be to adopt out the child. But most likely that won't happen.


36 posted on 05/01/2005 8:37:23 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

Raped by another 13-year-old?


38 posted on 05/01/2005 8:41:12 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: neutrality

Not that I know how old her partner was, but it's far more likely that he was around her age


39 posted on 05/01/2005 8:42:30 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: macaroona

I bet some will protest because it could cause abortion of a fertilized egg somehow and others because it infringes on the girls' rights somehow. Good grief!

It's rotten situation. I think you've got a decent idea. I'd like to see it be secret so they don't know they can't get pregnant. But I know that would trample on rights even more, huh?


40 posted on 05/01/2005 8:42:45 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: neutrality

We don't know the father was 13. The article doesn't mention it, though I have been known to miss things. And yes, that is still statutory rape, though I doubt you can charge the boy.


41 posted on 05/01/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: madprof98

Hey, the Supreme Court has ruled that even older minors can't be executed for murder because they weren't old enough to know what they were doing. That age cutoff of an otherwise legal option made exactly the same amount of legal sense as this age cutoff.


42 posted on 05/01/2005 8:49:08 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: macaroona

No argument here.

I think it's unreasonable, though of course I hope, that these kids would not be having sex. Too many well raised ones succumb (and always have). To expect that kids raised by the state would have the moral strength in our culture is not being realistic. That does not mean we have to accept it and I would love to be able to guide them. But your plan would be great.


44 posted on 05/01/2005 8:52:10 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: trisham
Meanwhile, the ACLU sued the state of Ohio for issuing car licence plates reading 'choose life'. It claims this is discrimination because there are no pro-choice plates.

It would seem to be a simple matter for the state of Ohio to produce plates that read "choose death for the unborn"...just to give both sides a voice.
45 posted on 05/01/2005 9:04:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: madprof98; neutrality
Define "you people".

They used to say "you people" to put down African-Americans. (Remember Ross Perot's infamous speech.) These days, it is used to put down the most despised of all human beings in America: believing Christians.

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That was my impression.

46 posted on 05/01/2005 9:56:55 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: G Larry
And by the way, who is being prosecuted for statutory rape?

If she ain't saying then the kid will provide the dna answer.

The thing I never understood is why is it so hard to adopt an infant kid in this country. If they'd just relax the restrictions many would adopt. But the left is only interested in murdering the helpless.
47 posted on 05/01/2005 12:10:43 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Cboldt
But the Florida legislature and voters revere the Florida court system.

Umm, no. The Florida judicial system have time and again reversed the will of the voters.

48 posted on 05/01/2005 12:18:31 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: macaroona
I think it's the lesser of two evils

Perhaps, but morality that uses this judgement as a basis is called "situational morality" and has been shown to lead to lots of bad decisions when practiced by society at large. (In individual circumstances I know what you mean but having sex is an emancipating act -- as is committing murder). The court is digging itself a hole inasmuchas other courts have rulled that kids cannot be given the adult death penalty for murder but kids can be adult enough to choose to have an abortion.

I believe something must be done to "pay" for the acts committed in this case. Forcing the kid to have the baby is just as drastic as forcing the kid to bear the cost of the abortion. Since the kid is in the states care, I would say the state is now a parent.

49 posted on 05/01/2005 12:28:12 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: BibChr
'This child has made a clear choice

I bet most 13 year olds would choose to have Doritos and cookie-dough ice cream for dinner every evening. I know mine would. I guess that's why I am the parent and I make the decisions.

There is just so much wrong with this story I can't think straight about it. I am happy to see something go right in the Sunshine State, although it is sure to be an isolated incident.

50 posted on 05/01/2005 12:34:42 PM PDT by grellis ("Unless, God forbid, there are two Placentas walking around"--FR demkicker)
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