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To: quidnunc

My question is...does it really matter if the European population is going down? I certainly don't think so. It is all a matter of people making their choices not to have as many children as in the past. If it makes them happy, why take the choice away from them? Also, it is clear that the reason why birth rates are lowering is not a matter of the triumph of moral relativism, but the fact that most of Europe is in the first world. There is a lower death rate in well-to-do nations, hence a lower birth rate. The reason why population is booming in developing and third world nations is that people die more often there and more people are needed to make up for that!

Quite honestly, not even the Taliban could stop the undeniable truth that there is no absolute truth, only the one we choose to base our lives on. Not one person has the same exact version of morality to live by. They may claim to be part of a certain religion or creed, but everyone basically takes a line item veto to spots in their holy text which they disagree, and people disregard different things. And anyone who actually attempts to do everything that their holy book calls for would be locked up either in a mental institution or in jail!

Is this an invitation to anarchy? Not really...we must account for individual acts that undermine the individual pursuit of happiness: nonconsensual violence, fraud, and theft. Are there decrees in holy books that decry these things? Of course! Does that fact justify to enforcement of other "moral" laws. Of course not!

Your best bet is for the religious crusaders is to bow out of the public sector. Legislation has not saved one soul and it only makes people you have failed to convince's lives needlessly worse. Stick to spreading the message on the private sector...and in return the liberals should butt out of your private organizations guidelines.


13 posted on 05/01/2005 8:42:23 AM PDT by leftwingrightwingbrokenwing ((vitriolic libertarian))
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To: leftwingrightwingbrokenwing
the undeniable truth that there is no absolute truth

Is that an absolute truth? Either way, your statement is either meaningless(I choose not to believe it if it's not an absolute truth) or a contradiction(the absolute truth thee is no absolute truth).

If there is no truth other than your beliefs it's rather pointless to try to convince people you're right.

By the way, welcome to FR
14 posted on 05/01/2005 8:51:42 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: leftwingrightwingbrokenwing

What university did you pay big bucks to to teach you this circular gobbledegook? It's surely nothing to base a life or a civilization on. No wonder liberal Euro society is so feckless against the onslaught of Islam. The USA will fare no better in preserving its liberty if it has nothing in its arsenal but relativism.


37 posted on 05/01/2005 10:01:44 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: leftwingrightwingbrokenwing; quidnunc; DarkSavant; BobL; goldstategop; Gritty
My question is...does it really matter if the European population is going down?

I don't get how he tries to tie the decrease in population with spiritual decay? What does one have to do with the other? Is he saying you cannot be Christian and have only one child or no child?

Most of his other arguments don't hold water either. At the time of WWI and WWII Europeans were much more religious (spiritual) than today. It is only after the sixties that the turn against religion took place. So blaming those wars on lack of spirituality is bogus.

And if you go back to when the church truly had a stranglehold on people - the middle ages - and rightly called the "dark ages", it was almost a constant state of war and those that survived the wars and the pestilences lived in ignorance and servitude.

Now, I'm not against religion or spirituality per se - it would be totally illogical, after all everyone has a belief system whether one is conscious of it or not.

The real issue is whether a country should have a defining religion. I think I'm safe in saying that the vast majority of the people would say no. When and where it has been tried, those countries have ended up as failures (eventually). Typically religion provides a strong initial impetus for advancements, but all historical examples show that eventually that religion itself will limit the advance and eventually is overtaken by external forces.

Still a country needs to have a set of common values it believes in. It is the thing that defines and holds it together. In dictatorships, such as Cuba it is the strong man that defines those values, in theocracies such as Saudi Arabia and Iran it is the clergy that does that, in western democracies, it is the majority (heavily influenced by the elites) that dictates it.

These set of values are extremely important to the nation. More than anything else, it determines how successful the nation and its people will be and even whether it will survive (USA vs USSR, England vs Nazi Germany, etc).

So in trying to determine what is wrong with Europe the first place I would look is its current value system. Europe values currently consist of multiculturalism, environmentalism and guilt over its past sins and current success.

Of these the value that makes them the most vulnerable is the institutionalization of multiculturalism. If one spent just a few minutes thinking about multiculturalism one would come to the inescapable conclusion that it is an illogical, untenable and suicidal idea. Basically it says that it is impossible to determine if one culture (i.e. value system) is better than any other, therefore they're all the same and they should all be tolerated. But what happens when a new culture comes in your midst that does not share that view? Since you're a multiculturalist you must tolerate it. They on the other (not believing in multicult) will not tolerate yours and "knowing" that theirs is superior, will do anything in their power to destroy the other culture and kill or convert the "heathens".

So that is what's wrong with Europe. Not that they are not religious (they do have strong beliefs) - but that their beliefs, multiculturalism and their guilt, are causing them to commit suicide!! It's a self defeating belief!! The guilt allows the "poor" people that they "mistreated" in the past to come in by the millions, multiculturalism leaves them defenseless against the passionate beliefs of the invading hordes. What stupidity... or is it insanity!!

They're beginning to see it, but are not ready to change their beliefs, yet. So, caught between a rock and a hard place - they become despondent. Whether they'll come out of it, only time will tell. We face the same danger!

56 posted on 05/01/2005 11:28:00 PM PDT by aquila48
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