[goldstategop]

Its actually grimmer than that. European Muslims have large families and their children have large families well. In contrast, secular European have no children or one child at best. Project those trends outwards to 2100 and we have a majority Muslim Europe. It will be a very different continent and the world will be a lot different than it is now. Can you imagine secular values surviving in such a world? This is a wake up call for American liberals.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[BobL]

"Its actually grimmer than that. European Muslims have large families and their children have large families well."

Just to one-up you - it's even grimmer than you say. For the Muzzies, having large families is a political weapon, as Arafat once said (to paraphrase) "our most potent weapon is the Palestinian mother's womb". He was, of course, referring to the Middle East, but it doesn't take much of a stretch to think that it might apply to Europe as well.

In Kosovo, as I remember it, Serbs were half of the population immediately after World War 2 (with the rest being Muzzies) - but by the time Clinton decided to start bombing them (for reasons that I will NEVER understand), Serbs were only 10% of the population, with Muzzies at 90%. I don't know the dynamics as to how that shift happened (i.e., relative birth rates, government 'incentives', Serbs leaving on their own, etc.), but (white) Europe managed to completely miss an opportunity to see their future.

The idea that a society that's been with us for at least 1500 years would let itself be defeated by a demographic attack is unreal - but we are seeing it.