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Schiavo Judge To Be Honored
Tampa Tribune ^ | May 2, 2005 | Lisa A. Davis

Posted on 05/02/2005 5:06:09 AM PDT by Quaker

NEW PORT RICHEY - Pinellas- Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer, who was thrust into the national spotlight and scrutinized by pro-life advocates during the Terri Schiavo case, was a consistent judge who followed the law, colleagues say.

His professionalism and integrity was punctuated by the way he handled the Schiavo case, said Alan Scott Miller, a New Port Richey lawyer and member of the West Pasco Bar Association.

As part of Law Week, which kicks off today, the association will award Greer, 63, its Special Justice Award.

``He's getting this award for all of his contributions on the bench, not just the Schiavo case,'' Miller said. ``It's like a lifetime achievement award for an actor.''

Greer will receive the award during a banquet Thursday at the Heritage Springs Golf and Country Club, 11345 Robert Trent Jones Parkway.

For years, Greer presided over the politically and emotionally charged Schiavo case, which ended when the 41- year-old woman died March 31, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed a third time on a court order.

Some doctors said Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state since suffering brain damage after her heart stopped in 1990.

Her husband, Michael, fought for years to have her feeding stopped, saying his wife didn't want to be kept alive by artificial means.

Her parents, hoping she would recover, fought him in court after court.

Eventually, Florida's governor and Legislature and then Congress took up the battle.

Supporters and detractors watched as Greer made rulings backing Terri Schiavo's purported wishes and received threats on his life.

``I don't think anyone could ever say his decisions were unlawful,'' said Joan Nelson Hook, president of the West Pasco Bar Association. ``They were very thoughtful. His decisions were meticulous.

``We admired his ability to sustain the pressure not to follow the law. ... I think that shows his character.''

Steve Doran, association president-elect, echoed Hook's thoughts on Greer's handling of the Schiavo case.

``His decisions in that unfortunate case withstood the test of every appellate court in the country,'' Doran said. ``Those who are criticizing him are not seeing the big picture.''

When the association voted this month on this year's recipient of the Special Justice Award, the result was almost unanimous for Greer.

``He's a man of integrity. He's followed the flow. He's done an excellent job on the bench,'' said Miller. ``That's why he's getting this award.''

In addition to Greer's award, the Law Week celebration offers events that allow the community to get a closer look at what the West Pasco Bar Association and the law profession are about, Hook said.

``It's an opportunity to interact with all levels of the community,'' she said.

``It's not just about battles; law is a way of life.''

Here are some events:

* Representatives of the association will be at Gulf View Square mall in Port Richey offering free legal advice from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Wednesday through Friday.

* All week, 22 lawyers will visit Pasco schools to discuss the law and this week's national theme, ``The American Jury: We the People in Action.''

* The 2nd District Court of Appeal will hold a special session at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the West Pasco Government Center, 7530 Little Road, in county commission chambers.

* Business suits, shoes and accessories will be collected at area law offices for Connections, a not-for-profit organization that helps people looking for jobs.

The following law offices are collecting men's and women's apparel:

The Law Offices of Attridge, Cohen & Lucas, 7136 Little Road, New Port Richey; The O'Conner Law Group, 9735 U.S. 19, Suite 2, Port Richey; Pejot Law, 11911 Pine Forest Drive, New Port Richey; and The Law Offices of Gay & Ehrhardt, 5318 Balsam St., New Port Richey.

Reporter Lisa A. Davis can be reached at (727) 815-1083.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cultofterri; judgegreer; schaivocircus; schiavo; shesdeadjim; sicksicksicksicksick; terrischiavo
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To: pc93
a debate..

Since we are discussing this on an internet forum, what would you call it? Chat, perhaps?

401 posted on 05/02/2005 4:53:14 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: pc93

You must be one of those "true pro-lifers".

The hate is unmistakable.

That and the insane ranting.


402 posted on 05/02/2005 4:53:53 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Ohioan

You obviously do not have any detective skills.


403 posted on 05/02/2005 4:55:46 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: markedmannerf

Husband claims wife would live 41 years in current condition with enough money for treatment.Husband receives over $2 million dollars to take care of wife for next 41 years.Husband gets engaged to other woman and has children with her.Husband claims his wife told his brother she would rather die instead of receiving any type of life support back in 1984.Husband gets approval to spend wife's money on everything else except her treatment.Husband continues his crusade to kill his wife with his expensive lawyer.Greer didn't see anything suspicious in the actions of the husband.They say justice is supposed to be blind but in this case only the judge was blind.


404 posted on 05/02/2005 4:56:28 PM PDT by rdcorso (The Democratic Party Has Become An Abomination)
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To: jwalsh07

Well they are talking about how much good they are doing on this thread. I agree.. exposing their ignorance and prejudice against those less fortunate.


405 posted on 05/02/2005 4:57:37 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Bump.


406 posted on 05/02/2005 4:59:35 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

So, killers can be nice people. They can kill with a smile.


407 posted on 05/02/2005 5:00:42 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: cyncooper

It's so obvious that you haven't done any research.


408 posted on 05/02/2005 5:03:22 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I've noticed that some people just can't answer or ask a question without resorting to assumptions. That makes them ineffective. Unfortunately, they seldom realize it. LOL!
409 posted on 05/02/2005 5:03:36 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: pc93

It's so obvious you have no idea about my thoughts or comments on this topic.

But don't let that stop you. Just make inane and false statements about someone because it's the Christian thing to do.


410 posted on 05/02/2005 5:04:55 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: unbalanced but fair
I've noticed that some people just can't answer or ask a question without resorting to assumptions.

It is the only way these boobs can keep flogging this issue. Without their faulty assumptions they would have had to shut up long ago.

411 posted on 05/02/2005 5:07:12 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: bvw
I never said I was an Epicurean. You did. Now wasn't that a waste of time?
412 posted on 05/02/2005 5:07:56 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: muawiyah

Lol.


413 posted on 05/02/2005 5:10:07 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: cyncooper

I noticed that. Of course, some of them are worse than others. What gets me is that they are all so dedicated to the cause but some of them are on this forum for hours on end. Don't think that accomplishes much.


414 posted on 05/02/2005 5:11:09 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: rdcorso

Willingly blind, with prejudice/bias and on a mission.


415 posted on 05/02/2005 5:15:31 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: Ohioan

Among those who can rationalize the murder of Terri.


416 posted on 05/02/2005 5:23:25 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: muawiyah

Good point.


417 posted on 05/02/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: KDD

You wouldn't happen to be part of the legal profession in Pinellas, would you? Or perhaps just someone like a funeral home owner who also profits from the scraps the probate and guardianship legal vultures throw your way?


418 posted on 05/02/2005 5:59:49 PM PDT by penowa
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To: brewcrew
Let's give the pro-death fringe group something to cheer about tonight. It is a long process to ween them from the notion that they have a right to starve people to death.


419 posted on 05/02/2005 6:00:55 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter".-JimRobinson)
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To: pc93

Judge Greer/Michael Schiavo fan club is getting testy.


420 posted on 05/02/2005 6:04:24 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: ladyjane
"...it's about saving billions of dollars for the insurance industry."

Not to mention a full employment plan for the legal profession.

421 posted on 05/02/2005 6:13:32 PM PDT by penowa
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To: unbalanced but fair

Waiting for Godot?


422 posted on 05/02/2005 6:15:39 PM PDT by bvw
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To: celmak
"NOT TO FOLLOW THE LAW? Am I missing something here?"

When I read that, I thought it was either a typo or more likely, a Freudian slip.

423 posted on 05/02/2005 6:51:20 PM PDT by penowa
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To: L.N. Smithee
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life. It's even stupid for a leftist!

How would you like to have this guy represent you? How'd you like to live there knowing guys like this get to be judges? How would you feel if every time you opened the phone book to call a lawyer you talked to someone with about the same emotional and professional development, if not the same ideologies?

424 posted on 05/02/2005 6:53:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: bvw
Waiting For Godot

An interesting analogy. In reference to my waste of time? However, it does seem appropriate to the endless round of posters and posts without a definite resolution. I do feel like the boy who never remembers the main characters. At my age that isn't surprising. And, as I recall, Becket wasn't particularly fond of any interpretation of the play. But then it's been a long time since I read it or saw a production. And I have to keep working on a report for work tomorrow, so this kind of philosophical discussion will have to wait for another time. Have a good evening.

425 posted on 05/02/2005 6:56:14 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: the invisib1e hand
a friend lost.

It is unfortunate that lawyers so often confuse law and justice.

Your friend was lost to the light before the first letter, but you did the right thing to try to open his eyes.

Many Germans went to their end at Nuremberg proclaiming that the law and orders were on their side failing to see that morality was not.

426 posted on 05/02/2005 7:11:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: All

http://oldright.com/cartoons/2005/03/schiavo_18.html

427 posted on 05/02/2005 7:25:48 PM PDT by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Navy Patriot

I have to tell you, the distinction between law and morals was articulated very well by another FReeper. I can't recall who or on what thread he said it. But it was an epiphany for me, even though it is obvious.


428 posted on 05/02/2005 7:31:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: cyncooper; EternalVigilance; Central Scrutiniser

After reading dozens and dozens of EternalVigilance's postings, I can't for the life of me figure out how you and Central Scrutiniser can claim that ET is lying about anyone or making false accusations. Do y'all have guilty consciences that may be bringing on feelings of self-condemnation? If so, maybe you should see a priest and make a good confession...


429 posted on 05/02/2005 9:10:35 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I guess all the conservative talk show hosts (like Rush, Mark Levin, Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Michael Medved, and on and on) and all the pundits, and all the conservative leaders like Robert Bork and George Bush and Tom Delay and Ann Coulter and Bill Cryatal and the owner of this forum and on and on are all zealots who also shouldn't be taken seriously.

NO the Judge didn't do his job. He failed to be an IMPARTIAL arbiter and he disregarded and thwarted the law, including the most revered legal document of all time, the United States Constitution.

You are just too blind to see it. Or maybe it's just your INTENSE dislike for the Religious Right.

430 posted on 05/02/2005 9:14:43 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schiavo was NOT in c oma, JUSTICE was..)
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To: cyncooper; pc93
You must be one of those "true pro-lifers". The hate is unmistakable. That and the insane ranting.

boy, you accuse others of name-calling. "talk about the pot call the kettle 'black'". oops! that was name-calling, wasn't it? ;)

you really need to lighten up. But you should understand it's terribly hard for us who want to protect life to fathom that some want to argue in favor of the opposite.

431 posted on 05/02/2005 9:23:11 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions)
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To: cyncooper; EternalVigilance
It is the only way these boobs can keep flogging this issue. Without their faulty assumptions they would have had to shut up long ago.

Just noting the name-calling and pinging the one whom you accused of the same...

432 posted on 05/02/2005 9:27:21 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions)
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To: Quaker
Greer should be tried and sentenced to the death.

Men in authority have an even greater obligation to behave morally and responsibly. Thus, when their abuse of power results in the death of an innocent, they should recieve, no less than the death penalty. Unfortunately, in today's America, it will NEVER happen.

It is an OBSCENE NIGHTMARE that this Judge should be so honored and a further indication of what our Justice System has become.

There will be a day when GREER receives his just reward, and I look forward to THAT day.

433 posted on 05/02/2005 9:31:55 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schiavo was NOT in c oma, JUSTICE was..)
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To: Salvation

It would be EXCELLENT if Florida Freepers got together to organize a FREEP of this event. I would suggest they FREEP any event that GREER attends. It is the VERY LEAST he deserves.


434 posted on 05/02/2005 9:37:49 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schiavo was NOT in c oma, JUSTICE was..)
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom; cyncooper

On all counts, just like the Liberals, they are guilty of that of which they accuse others.


435 posted on 05/02/2005 9:41:46 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schiavo was NOT in coma, JUSTICE was..)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"Guess what? Some very good and nice people are on Michael's side on this issue,"

I used to think that way regarding issues of this caliber. No more. NO WAY would any GOOD and DECENT person cognizant of the facts, be on the side of Michael Schiavo.

Only God knows how such people will ultimately be judged.

436 posted on 05/02/2005 9:53:45 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schiavo was NOT in coma, JUSTICE was..)
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To: TAdams8591
RE: #434. Yes, an excellent idea to freep the event. Imagine honoring someone so disgusting as Judge Greer. It is not only the Terri Schiavo case where he showed his disregard of laws, but also in other cases where his perverted decisions have cost a life.
437 posted on 05/03/2005 6:03:37 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom
After reading dozens and dozens of EternalVigilance's postings, I can't for the life of me figure out how you and Central Scrutiniser can claim that ET is lying about anyone or making false accusations.

Saying people are pro MS or pro Felos, saying people are Nazis, saying people aren't conservatives and aren't pro-life when they have articulated otherwise is a lie.

Got that?

Do y'all have guilty consciences that may be bringing on feelings of self-condemnation?

No. And I'll point out that being accused falsely by others is by definition not "self" condemnation.

If so, maybe you should see a priest and make a good confession...

I suggest you take your own advice.

438 posted on 05/03/2005 7:16:01 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: unbalanced but fair

"In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer." ~Albert Camus


439 posted on 05/03/2005 7:54:41 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
The first part of your response was simply throwing words around. However, you did refer to your impression of reality in the latter part, so I will respond.

I have not seen but a couple of the Schiavo tapes. But the ones that I saw, were ones that the family claimed showed her responding. Frankly, she did not appear to be as responsive as even a two month old baby, much less a two to four year old.

But the real point of my essay, and the real point that you choose to ignore is that we have a system of local justice in America--one of the principles fought for in the Revolution--and you refuse to accept the result, simply because it doesn't fit your spectator notion of what the result should have been. If you do not see how quickly this type of reasoning leads to absolute anarchy, where no body respects anyone else's legal rights--one of the ideas you claim to agree is important, at least by implication--you are simply too focused on your own immediate perceptions.

Again, I am not going to try to repeat the whole article, endlessly. My essay touches upon many of the things that you express concern over, and tries to put them into a broader context, both legal, historic, cultural and ethical. It won't, I am sure, convince you, when you can redefine words the way that you did at the beginning of your post, but it is at Terry Schiavo.

440 posted on 05/03/2005 8:52:38 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: jwalsh07
My only agenda, Sir, is to fight for the traditional values of the American peoples--and for their rights to maintain those values, and celebrate their traditional cultures, etc..

My concern over the fanaticism brought out by the Terry Schiavo case, is that it directly challenges fundamental principles of the American tradition; further, that because the media has been able to label it "right wing," and identify it with some Conservatives, it undermines the credibility of all of us. Finally, my concern, as a foe of legalized abortion, is that it sabotages 32 years of efforts to reverse the false reasoning behind Roe vs. Wade.

That is my only agenda. I do not in anyway seek to force the people of any other State or community to accept my social views, if they do not wish to. While I may seek to persuade them, I will never seek to change the rules of civil discourse and the legal limitations on Government--that is to misuse Government--to that end.

441 posted on 05/03/2005 9:00:52 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: bvw
You show your complete ignorance of history in this little gem:

Oh how we mocked and aspered Il Duce, and Der Fuehrer and Emperor Tojo! We were all so fanatic in those days.

As one who grew up during World War II, I can assure you that the mocking of our enemies was never of the fanatic variety. Comic relief in a desperate war. The fanaticism was on the other side--indeed, but for the fanaticism on the other side, there would probably have been no war.

We have had other examples of fanaticism in American History, but defending ourselves in World War II was not one of them!

442 posted on 05/03/2005 9:08:28 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: pc93
You obviously do not have any detective skills.

Your response, above, is to my comment on the misuse of a family tragedy. What has that to do with detective skills?

Let me hazard a guess--what you think it has to do? Let me do a bit of detective work, here.

My guess is that you have a fanatic interest in the Terry Schiavo case. That you have never met the lady, are not a physician, nor a lawyer--and certainly not a Judge. That your interest in Conservatism is limited to certain moral imperatives that drive you. That those imperatives do not include respect for the rights of people in different communities to define their own moral imperatives, for themselves. Hence, you do not respect the Ninth or Tenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, nor the limitations of power, implied by the spelling out, in detail, of the powers actually delegated to the Federal Government, by the States.

Let me further hazard a guess, that your personal moral imperatives are more important to you than legal niceties, or questions of the origins of governmental powers, etc..

Now tell me how wrong I am.

William Flax

443 posted on 05/03/2005 9:17:35 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: brewcrew
Among those who can rationalize the murder of Terri.

Defining reason, rationality and the verbal process of "rationalizing," is obviously not your forte, if you can call what happened in the Terri Schiavo case "murder." Why don't you spare your own reputation, by looking up the term?

444 posted on 05/03/2005 9:20:56 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
My only agenda, Sir, is to fight for the traditional values of the American peoples--and for their rights to maintain those values...

Like these?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security..."

445 posted on 05/03/2005 9:22:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul; All those who hate me love death.")
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To: Ohioan
Hence, you do not respect the Ninth or Tenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, nor the limitations of power, implied by the spelling out, in detail, of the powers actually delegated to the Federal Government, by the States.

Let me hazard a guess myself, based on your inability or unwillingness to address it in past days, that you yourself give little regard to the Fifth or the Fourteenth Amendment's safeguards on the God-given and therefore unalienable right to life; or in Terri Schiavo's case, as a citizen of Florida, to that State's constitutional guarantees of the same as found in Article One, Section Two of that document.

You're putting legalisms ahead of the right to life of the individual American.

That is a very dangerous course, sir, fraught with peril.

446 posted on 05/03/2005 9:29:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul; All those who hate me love death.")
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To: Ohioan

The American people don't need lawyers to tell them what murder is, thanks. Even a child knows.


447 posted on 05/03/2005 9:31:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul; All those who hate me love death.")
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To: bvw
"We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts--not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.” -Abraham Lincoln
448 posted on 05/03/2005 9:41:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts...to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.")
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To: Ohioan
Defining reason, rationality and the verbal process of "rationalizing," is obviously not your forte, if you can call what happened in the Terri Schiavo case "murder." Why don't you spare your own reputation, by looking up the term?

Can you please explain to us all how taking a helpless person you are responsible for and locking them in a room for two weeks with no water or food til they die is not 'murder' in your universe?

449 posted on 05/03/2005 9:47:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts...to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.")
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To: EternalVigilance
What the point you seek to make in quoting the "self-evident," one cannot be certain. But it is interesting that you stopped before the actual recital of grievances, which led to the Declaration of Independence--State sovereignty--which included references to interference in our rights to a local judiciary.

The Schiavo protesters were pretty clearly on the opposite side, here, to that taken by Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and the Continental Congress.

450 posted on 05/03/2005 10:06:48 AM PDT by Ohioan
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