Posted on 05/03/2005 9:50:07 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan
A judge has ruled that a 13-year-old girl at the center of an abortion fight with the state may terminate her pregnancy.
Juvenile Judge Ronald Alvarez (search) on Monday ruled that the teen, who has been in state custody for four years, would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the procedure. Last week, Alvarez blocked the girl's abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed.
"He ruled that she is competent, that she has made a decision and that she has a right to act on that decision," said Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida American Civil Liberties Union (search), which represented the girl.
The state Department of Children & Families had argued that the girl, known only in court papers as L.G., (search) was too young and immature to decide for herself to have an abortion. The agency said state law prohibited the agency from consenting to the procedure.
Children and families officials declined to comment Monday on whether they planned to appeal Alvarez's decision.
"Since this is still in litigation, I can't speak to what's going on in court," agency spokeswoman Marilyn Munoz told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.
Attorneys for the girl said the abortion was scheduled for Monday, but it was unclear whether the girl underwent the procedure.
The girl told the judge last week as part of the psychological evaluation process that she wanted an abortion, citing her age and no way to support a baby. The girl's attorneys argue that Florida law protects a minor's right to choose an abortion.
A measure is moving through the state Legislature to require notification of parents or guardians when girls seek abortion. In 2003, the Florida Supreme Court struck down a 1999 law requiring parents to be notified if their minor daughters seek an abortion.
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The same people who pay to support girls like this, and their babies when they do have them, and their parents, and their "boyfriends" who (like their fathers) usually spend a good chunk of their lives in prison.
As someone who is appalled that there was even one day's delay in giving this girl an abortion, I strongly object to the proposal that those us who want state-funded abortions in situations like this should be forced to participate in the payment of the hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars it would take for the state to support this baby all through its life, because some people oppose abortion, while people who oppose abortion should not be forced to participate in the payment of a couple of hundred dollars for the abortion.
Judicial activism is what took the law out of the legislatures hands in the first place. The law that is being enforced here is judge made law, not legislation. The rule being enforced here exists becuase of judicial activism.
Too bad the people don't have the gumption to shitcan the activist judges. Part of the rules includes the power to impeach. If the judges don't want that rule to be used, they can respect the will of the people and refrain from legislating from the bench. "Laws regarding abortion are PRESUMED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL," so says the Florida Supreme Court. The people are kow-towing to judical made law that the public does not support. Evidence that the public doesn't support it? Passing of a Constitutional amendment to the privacy clause of the Florida Constitution.
Thank you. And I'd point out that not only are they theocrats, they're socialists too. Every baby born in a situation like this is another vote for socialism. This child would be utterly dependent on the state throughout its life, and wouldn't even want to imagine a form of government where s/he wasn't entitled to handouts. An anti-abortion position is not only anti-freedom for the girl/woman in question, it's even more anti-freedom for everyone in all the future generations of our nation. Liberty cannot survive an ever-growing population of government dependents.
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State again halts teen's abortion
Seems like a conflict of interest to have the evaluation in the clinic where the abortion will be performed.
Some GovernmentShrinker you are. It's because we have a policy of supporting irresponsible decisions with public money that we have an out of control culture of irresponsible decisions.
Sure would cause a lot of pain if we suddenly stopped caring for all of these irresponsible individuals and the product of their poor choices but how can we be governmentshrinkers if we don't?
So why shouldn't a thirteen year old girl go out and get pregnant when she is absolved of all responsibility for her decisions, GovernmentShrinker will make things all right again with my tax dollars.
How will having the baby, which will then become instantly a ward of the state, make her face up to her responsibilities. You know, there are women who keep having babies despite the fact that they are instantly taken by the state because have been previously been found unfit.
I don't care if she has the baby or not. I just don't want to be charged for carving the baby out of her womb.
If it is a matter of "spend a little to save a lot", spend the money to fix these women so they can't give birth to any more wards of the state.
Or have one of those "buyback" programs like they do for guns...ovaries for a few hits of crack, vasectomies for an armful of heroin or a bag of weed. That might sound horrible but it's not as bad as using my tax dollars to kill babies.
Well its too late now that she is pregnant, it has to end in her giving birth or having an abortion. She is a ward of the state of Florida, so you have been paying for her for the last four years, including when DCF allowed to run away and get pregnant in the first place.
It was in response to your women who keep giving birth to wards of the state.
I'm sure you would agree that it should be the policy that when public money is used to pay for an abortion that the woman be fixed at the same time so she can't become pregnant again and kill another baby at the publics expense.
Why stop at those who have an abortion? I was referring to those who give birth to children who are paid for by the state. Those women should be fixed too, since they are creating an even bigger burden to the state.
I didn't. I suggested we offer a bag of weed or hit of crack to these women if they will have their tubes tied.
The 1% of those who won't accept the deal, I don't have an answer for.
Responsible people sometimes have lapses in judgment, but I am sure you are above that.
Let's all pray for the mother and her baby, and pray that the abortion won't take place.
She stumbles across this thread in 17 years and reads how worthless her mother was, how expensive she is going to be to the state, how likely she will turn out to be trash, along with a few posters who were on her side, willing to help pay the cost to society.
How would you feel if that were you? One strike/mistake by your mother and you are worthless and should be terminated, extracted, ground up, and flushed down a drain and into Tampa Bay or wherever this is in Florida or get recycled into the city drinking water.
How will this play out on Judgement Day (hard to keep believing there will ever be one, but let's assume there is)?
We let society deteriorate to this point. It's up to us to try to bring it back to health. It all comes down to the almigty dollar.
Regarding another post, I worked with a woman with a blind eye who had been adopted and who was tinier than most 13-year-olds. Amazingly, she was a very competent legal secretary. She delivered a baby successfully who was in grade school at that time. She got lice (lots of kids do now) and I remember helping pick them out after the shampoo so she could go back to school. The daughter had the same blind eye, (maybe on the opposite side, can't remember), tended to be very chubby and unattractive. The child grew up and got pregnant. The last time I saw her she had a baby in a stroller. Wonder how that all turned out.
Who are we to determine the worth of a human being?
This ain't gonna go over too well, and I don't like to force anyone to have a baby they don't want, but I couldn't be an enabler or participant in "the procedure" in any way either. When she comes out of the clinic and if she develops complications like hemhorraging, I can take her to the local emergency room and do what I can to help her get back on her feet. From so far away, the least I can do is pray for her and all concerned for a good outcome, whatever that may be.
The cold reality is that this child was conceived during an encounter between a 13 year old runaway and some slimeball. Nothing said on these boards is going to change that fact. Having the baby is not going to magically result in a happy ending- her parental rights will be terminated and the girl remaining in group home limbo, and the child would be adopted, if it is the "right" kind. Abortion offers no satisfactory conclusion either- the baby dies, the mother will be forgotten in foster care by her "supporters". Either way, the slimeball who got her pregnant will get away.
This girl's life was a tragedy long before she got pregnant, and it seems certain that it will continue to be no matter what happens. And she is just one of many "throwaway" children. No one has yet come up with an answer on what to do with these children.
Bottom line: God is pro-life. Choose life.
I'm all for that, but I still don't want each and every one of these women/girls dropping an unwanted baby (usually also permanently screwed up from birth, due to a combination of bad genes and bad in utero environment) into the world, for us to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on, before we spend a couple hundred to "fix" them.
Responsible people also quickly take steps to reverse any ill effects of their occasional lapses in judgement (or of contraceptive failure). If it wasn't responsible to plan on having a child at a given time, it's not responsible to continue an accidental pregnancy more than a couple of days beyond when it's discovered. Either way, a person who might have had a life doesn't -- it hardly matters if you prevent conception or undo it shortly after the fact. What really pisses me off is anti-abortion activists who put up as many obstacles as they can to women and girls seeking abortions, and then express horror at late abortions. Guess why they're done late? Because the delays you caused made them late.
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