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Justice Scalia: “A Living Constitution Doesn’t Exist” [Speech at Texas A&M]
Texas A&M University - Aggie Daily ^ | May 5, 2005

Posted on 05/05/2005 3:22:31 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative

May 5, 2005 – Criticizing those who believe the Constitution should be flexible and adapted to modern times, Associate Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Thursday during a speech at Texas A&M University that there is no such thing “as the living Constitution.”
      Scalia was speaking as part of the Twanna M. Powell Lecture at the George Bush Presidential Conference Center.
      “I’m what you call an ‘originalist,’ one who believes the Constitution should be interpreted exactly as it was adopted,” Scalia added.
      “It should be interpreted as it was written – nothing more, nothing less. Rights do not grow smaller or larger. Some legal experts say you have to interpret the Constitution broadly, but that’s not true under any circumstance.”
      Scalia, who was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1986 by President Ronald Reagan, added, “You hear the phrase ‘the living Constitution’ and that it’s a ‘living’ document. I’m a believer in the dead Constitution. Maybe we should better phrase it ‘the enduring Constitution.
      “The Constitution is not a living document. It’s a legal document, and legal documents do not change.”

      Scalia said that such controversial subjects as the death penalty and abortion are really not Constitutional issues “because there’s not one word about them in the Constitution. People who believe in a living Constitution would like to see such things as un-Constitutional.”
      The Constitution, he added, does exactly what it’s supposed to do: “It provides stability,” he said.
      Bush , when introducing Scalia, said that he “was a free spirit and deep thinker. He shares his views openly, and he is certainly thought-provoking.”
     Among the overflow crowd to hear Scalia were members of the Texas Supreme Court, the Fifth Court of Circuit Appeals and numerous federal and state judges.
      A native of Trenton, N.J., Scalia graduated from Harvard Law School and was a Sheldon Fellow of Harvard University. He was also a law professor at the University of Virginia and the University of Chicago and visiting law professor at Stanford and Georgetown. He served the federal government as General Counsel of the Office of Telecommunications Policy and was appointed judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for District of Columbia in 1982.
      He and his wife, Maureen, have nine children.
      Scalia, who was approved as a Supreme Court justice by a vote of 98-0, said such approval “would never happen today. Congress wants moderates and a moderate interpretation of the Constitution. The ‘living’ Constitution idea is seductive to the man on the street, and even to some judges.
      “But we must apply the words as they were originally written and we must be bound by their original meaning. We must think of what the words are and what the words meant when the people adopted them.

      “The Constitution doesn’t ‘morph’ to be what we want it to be.”
      Scalia said if there were one change he could make to the Constitution, it would be to make amendments to it an easier process.
      “Amendments are not easy to do,” he added.
      “They must be ratified by three-fourths of the states. But someone figured out that with the population disparity of states today, only two percent of the total population could prevent an amendment from being passed. It’s very difficult to get an amendment passed.”


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To: GoLightly
That point was not even at issue.

If it wasn't even at issue, why was the Federal Code cited in the ruling?

Read the dissent I posted. It explains all.
The man was never charged with violating a US law.

Do you agree that anyone convicted of a one year 'offense' should lose their RKBA's, forever? Why?

It depends.

Our RKBA's depends on what? On how Scalia feels on any particular day?

81 posted on 05/05/2005 8:32:27 PM PDT by P_A_I
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

It squares with the proper method of changing the Constitution: Amendments.


82 posted on 05/05/2005 8:58:20 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: P_A_I
The man was never charged with violating a US law.

Yes, I know. You think the 3 years he got weren't enough? Did he ask an American court for relief, requesting the American government intervene on his behalf with the Japanese government? I haven't seen all of the rulings that led up to this. Have you? I have not seen any of the briefs. You?

Please do NOT give me any business about his getting charged twice for the same offense, because doing so would be asking to have things both ways. Either his conviction counts or it doesn't. I have no problem accommodating him, either way. I doubt he'd like the kind of relief that I could grant him, because there are good odds that he'd still be losing his RTBA.

You think the dissent ruling was reading the code too widely? Tighten up wording of the code. Maybe it's just me, but the word "any" means "any". Show me some kind of proof that the intent of all of the writers & those that voted to make it into law meant it to say "any American" or that the word means "some" & I'll change my mind.

83 posted on 05/05/2005 9:29:24 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: RetiredArmy

"Boy, Algore is going to have a fit. He is the believer of the Living Constitution."

Maybe he should get an award for that.



84 posted on 05/06/2005 4:14:22 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: risk
The Constitution does discuss the death penalty. Life and limb, etc... I'm uncomfortable with his assertion that it doesn't.

life & limb? What-tha.....

85 posted on 05/06/2005 4:25:24 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: plangent

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


86 posted on 05/06/2005 4:29:44 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; bentfeather; ...

Justice Scalia ping.

I didn't check to see how many of you looked at this and replied, but this is a great article.


87 posted on 05/06/2005 4:54:16 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: P_A_I

With the test which you applied, that being the inability to keep and bear arms is rebuked if the person is convicted, were to be applied there could be no bill of attainder, nor fines, nor take property to satisfy any tort, or any other punishment which the constitution speaks to. This is the prescription for anarachy. Few on FR are advocates of this. Are you saying that any murderer should maintain the right to keep and bear arms after due process and conviction? Where are you going with your arguement. Everyone on FR agrees with due process. Everyone believes due process is the precursor to accountability.


88 posted on 05/06/2005 6:02:36 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: GoLightly
Maybe it's just me, but the word "any" means "any". Show me some kind of proof that the intent of all of the writers & those that voted to make it into law meant it to say "any American" or that the word means "some" & I'll change my mind.

83 GoLightly


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Maybe it's just me, but the intent of all of the writers of the 2nd amendment & those that voted to make it into law meant it to say that the right of "all American people" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [by foreign courts]
89 posted on 05/06/2005 6:15:33 AM PDT by P_A_I
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To: Arrowhead1952; PhilDragoo; devolve; yall
Justice Scalia buuuuuuuummmp / ping!

90 posted on 05/06/2005 6:18:37 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Constitutionalist Conservative

Thanks for the ping!

It is a great article!

Thanks for posting it CC!


91 posted on 05/06/2005 6:19:54 AM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: MeekOneGOP
I bet NOT ONE Aggie got up and asked him a question like that idiojit longhorn at UT asked Ann Coulter Tuesday night.
92 posted on 05/06/2005 6:22:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: Texas Songwriter
A man decreed to be a felon [in a foreign court] can be deprived of his right to keep & bear arms, according to Scalia & Thomas..


Thomas dissents against RKBA's in Small v. US
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1392339/posts


Those of you here who are in awe of Scalia's "strict constructionism" need to realize that this dissent ignores our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.
57 P_A_I


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Texas Songwriter replies:

With the test which you applied, that being the inability to keep and bear arms is rebuked if the person is convicted, were to be applied there could be no bill of attainder, nor fines, nor take property to satisfy any tort, or any other punishment which the constitution speaks to. This is the prescription for anarachy. Few on FR are advocates of this. Are you saying that any murderer should maintain the right to keep and bear arms after due process and conviction? Where are you going with your arguement. Everyone on FR agrees with due process. Everyone believes due process is the precursor to accountability.






- I commented on the Thomas/Scalia dissent that says our right to keep and bear arms can be prohibited if a person is convicted as a 'felon' in a foreign court.

In his dissent Thomas admits:

" -- Of course, the phrase "any court," like all other statutory language, must be read in context. -- "

He then ignores that the 'context' at issue is an infringement on Small's ability to own a gun, an inalienable individual right.
Search in vain for any reference to our 2nd Amendment.

This dissent [to which Scalia agreed] is a travesty of the Constitutional oath they have both sworn to uphold.
93 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:19 AM PDT by P_A_I
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To: risk
And it means exactly what it did the day each article and amendment were ratified.

I agree. The question is figuring out what it means. For example, what does "Congress shall make no law..." mean?

There's no reason to believe that those who came before us were correct in figuring out what it means. They weren't perfect. We must figure out what it means ourselves.
94 posted on 05/06/2005 6:48:27 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Arrowhead1952
I bet NOT ONE Aggie got up and asked him a question like
that idiojit longhorn at UT asked Ann Coulter Tuesday night.

Yep! I think a LOT of A&M / Aggies.

bump! bump! bump!


95 posted on 05/06/2005 6:55:39 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Abcdefg

Well I'm not a Lawyer, but I believe that it was passed by the Congress - into law. If it was Not, then I guess you better tell all of the Americans of African decent that they are still slaves! See you when you get back!!


96 posted on 05/06/2005 7:37:17 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defend the US CONSTITUTION - Locked and Loaded)
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To: Buck W.
Bush was there?

Pappy Bush comes to his library here quite often -- especially when prominent speakers show up.

97 posted on 05/06/2005 8:05:51 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: BikerNYC; risk
risk:

And it means exactly what it did the day each article and amendment were ratified.

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I agree. The question is figuring out what it means.
For example, what does "Congress shall make no law..." mean?

There's no reason to believe that those who came before us were correct in figuring out what it means. They weren't perfect. We must figure out what it means ourselves.
94 BikerNYC






When you read all of the Constitution, as ratified, and then read, in context, the debates surrounding the adoption of the BOR's, - "Congress shall make no law" becomes a self evident compromise line between those who wanted State sponsored religions 'grandfathered in', and those who were opposed to government sponsored religion at any level.
Here's a link to the debates:

Amendment I (Religion): House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution
Address:http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions53.html


The 'Congress shall' line was a minor point at the time, later seized upon by those who advocate 'States Rights' as a counter to the clear words of Article VI; -- which say that the US Constitution is the supreme law, -- anything in the "Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
98 posted on 05/06/2005 8:48:59 AM PDT by P_A_I
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To: P_A_I
If language is used as a compromise, its meaning usually bears very little to what those who voted for it wanted it to mean. People will say anything at the time about what they intend it to mean, knowing that if the langauge actually said what they intended it to mean it would be voted down.

We are bound by the meaning of the words, not by the intent of those who voted for the words. Those who voted may have done a very poor job writing down in words what they intended. We are nevertheless stuck with what's written, not what was hoped for.
99 posted on 05/06/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
BikerNYC wrote:

We are bound by the meaning of the words, --
We are nevertheless stuck with what's written, not what was hoped for.

Exactly my point.
We are stuck with what's written in Article VI.
The fact its written that "Congress shall make no law" in the first clause of the 1st Amendment, -- does not allow States to make laws that infringe upon the individual rights outlined in the BOR's.
-- All of the Constitution & its Amendments are the supreme "Law of the Land". -- Anything in the "Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

100 posted on 05/06/2005 10:00:05 AM PDT by P_A_I
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