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1 posted on 05/06/2005 10:24:31 AM PDT by Cool Chick
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But the folks at HAMAS-front group CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) and ADC (American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee) just love “Kingdom.” That speaks volumes,

Boy doesn't it!? The epics of today really suck. (Troy, Alexander)

2 posted on 05/06/2005 10:26:46 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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Darn. I would have liked to go to see a balanced movie about that era.


3 posted on 05/06/2005 10:29:57 AM PDT by GoLightly
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I don't see the full article. Rule #1: NEVER post an excerpt! Sometimes, its not there and helps to read the entire piece.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 05/06/2005 10:31:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Since Gladiator was one of my favorite movies of all time, I really have wanted to see this film. If it is as bad as some say, it will be hard to watch. However, I have sometimes seen movies that had caused a similar uproar which I went on to enjoy. Hopefully this movie will be like that. Or maybe I can go see it as if I was watching pure fiction, like a sci-fi movie..


5 posted on 05/06/2005 10:32:00 AM PDT by Paradox ("It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."- Robert E. Lee)
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The real deal:

Here’s a “Kingdom” reality check. The “chivalrous” Saladin was as intolerant and sadistic as they come. His principal secretary and historian, Imad ad-Din (who was gay) describes their view that “while several circles of hell prepared to receive Christians . . . the several ranks of heaven joyously anticipated the Muslim dead.”

Unlike his portrayal in “Kingdom,” Saladin:

Personally beheaded many of the Crusaders living in and around Jerusalem, and watched while his soldiers cut the bodies to pieces to satisfy their lust for revenge;

Sent poisoned wine and flour to a Greek leader to distribute to Crusaders;

Fought violently with rival Shi’ite Muslims, dissecting one of their leaders, and keeping his hands and head as trophies (Saladin, a Kurd, was a Sunni);

Persecuted Jews and Christians, denying them even the basic dignity of riding on horses or mules, requiring they ride in humiliation on donkeys and painful pack saddles. “Kingdom” shows Saladin allowing them to ride on horses. But even his own physician, the scholar Maimonides (a Jew forcibly converted to Islam) was forced to ride a donkey to and from Saladin’s palace. (Saladin stoned and blinded a Jewish doctor for daring to ride a horse, according to “Saladin and the Jews,” by E. Ashtor-Strauss.)

Sowed the seeds for Muslim Crusades, resulting in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians. That’s the other interesting point “Kingdom” conveniently omits. At the time of Saladin, the 12th Century, there were Muslim Crusades in Spain and North Africa. This century-long massacre of Jews and Christians by the Berber al-Mohad Muslims (or al-Muwahideen), which began in 1113 AD, doesn’t exist in “Kingdom.” Yet it was so bad that “Sephardim” (Oriental Jews, primarily from Arab countries), who were once the majority of the Jews, were almost wiped out and remain a small minority, today. By the end, there were no churches or synagogues (or open Christians or Jews) anywhere in Western Islam.

Where is Ridley Scott’s epic about that?

It was so horrific that Saladin’s physician, Maimonides, wrote, “We were dishonored beyond human endurance. . . . This people, the Arabs . . . never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they. . . . No matter how much we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition.”

“Kingdom’s” phony quote about Christian enthusiastically killing infidels? Here’s a real one from Saladin’s time, uttered by a Muslim historian: “It is permitted to kill the unfaithful or reduce them to slavery for opposing themselves to the true faith. . . . There were no Christians to be seen.”


6 posted on 05/06/2005 10:32:31 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Movies & TV are the propaganda tools targeted at the masses. I know of a church group planning to go to this movie and I'm going to try to stop them from PAYING to be lied to, with this article. Thanks for the post.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 10:32:37 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media!)
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Why are you making the generalization? While all muslims weren't peace loving, Salaudin surely was. And he was a great ruler.

And its a historical fact that he allowed the christians safe passage. Was it becuase the city defences forced him to, or his kindness we shall never know. But none the less, he did.


8 posted on 05/06/2005 10:33:41 AM PDT by Srirangan
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This comes as no surprise whatsoever. After the success of the Passion of the Christ I just knew Hollywood would attempt to try to ride on what they perceive as a untapped "religious" market...the problem is, they haven't a clue about religion nor do they have any concept of the value of truth. Combine these two traits and you get movies that try to shape Alexander as a homosexual, 11th century Islam as peaceful and TV miniseries such as Revelations that can't even spell the title of the last book in the Bible correctly.
9 posted on 05/06/2005 10:33:59 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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the folks at HAMAS-front group CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations)

That disclaimer always seems to be missing when a CAIR mouthpiece shows up to whine on the news channels.
10 posted on 05/06/2005 10:34:44 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Whatever. Still going to see it. :-)


11 posted on 05/06/2005 10:35:09 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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This really ticks me off. When Hollywood is so bereft of ideas that it's remaking movies that were dogs decades ago, and there's so much riveting history to choose from, why do they do this? Why do both fact and fiction have to be distorted and butchered with all of this political spin? I guess I'll just stay home and watch Lawrence of Arabia...again.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 10:36:29 AM PDT by Spok (Everything I know about intolerance I learned from a liberal.)
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Saw scoot being interviewed on a talk show last night, his comment was at least Saladin didn't kill all the crusaders.

He didn't the ones that couldn't pay a ransom, where put into slavery.

Of course his decedents are still doing it, can't pay a ransom we will enslaver you.

17 posted on 05/06/2005 10:39:32 AM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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One of the greatest sins against civilization is the twisting, warping, and revision of history, particularly for some social or political agenda. Accurate history, because of the lessons we can learn from it, is akin to truth in its purest sense. The accuracy of historical events should be protected as nearly sacred. Hollywood, however, either to push an agenda, or to make a buck, constantly perverts history in the movies it produces. Ridley Scott didn't produce a movie here; he apparently produced a lying abomination.


20 posted on 05/06/2005 10:42:06 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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A little off top, I don't get Orlando Bloom. they want him to be a star so much, but I think he's just SOOOO boring.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 10:46:10 AM PDT by Hildy
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Saddam Hussein liked to refer to himself as the 2nd coming of Saladin. That should tell you something.

I wouldn't watch this movie if they sent it to me free of charge, anything that cair says is alright has to be a lie.


26 posted on 05/06/2005 10:48:30 AM PDT by federal
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"Accurate history, because of the lessons we can learn from it, is akin to truth in its purest sense. The accuracy of historical events should be protected as nearly sacred"

Agreed...There are so many points in history that weren't fine points in Christian history. You could do a movie on any one of those instead of just making one up.
35 posted on 05/06/2005 10:53:34 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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I expected as much when I first saw the movie pre-views. The movies sole purpose is to make me feel guilty and feel I should apologies for being what I am.


40 posted on 05/06/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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The "KINGDOM of HEAVEN" is HOLLYWOOD'S big wet kiss to the Islamofanatic Terrorists around the world.

Such is the amazing and bitter hatred the left has for our nation and the love they have for third worlders and dictators.

51 posted on 05/06/2005 11:14:11 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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56 posted on 05/06/2005 11:34:02 AM PDT by Alouette (Proudly overpopulating the planet since 1972.)
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the truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal

Awesome! I have a new tagline.

57 posted on 05/06/2005 11:35:36 AM PDT by Alouette (The truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal. -- Mark Twain)
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