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Even Deep Discounts Can't Move SUVs
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | May 8, 2005 | Michael Taylor

Posted on 05/09/2005 6:52:14 AM PDT by MississippiMasterpiece

It's a Saturday morning on San Leandro's Marina Boulevard auto row, and the big SUVs have been sitting on the lots, waiting for someone to come in and start that dealer dollar dance that ends up with the customer slightly bewildered but paying a lot less for that vehicle than he thought he was going to.

Once in a while, there are takers, although the dealer has to discount the SUV heavily just to get it moving.

Salvador Sotello, for example, recently paid F.H. Dailey Chevrolet in San Leandro $41,000 for a new Chevy Tahoe LT (yes, with leather) SUV that had a sticker price of $58,000. The sale was an anomaly in what is otherwise a pretty dismal selling season. "It's been pretty quiet," saleswoman Crystal Gonzalez said the other day. "Been pretty slow."

At Broadway Ford in Oakland, the grilles of the Mustangs, SUVs and the lone Thunderbird smile at the passing traffic, but the showroom is empty, it appears, of customers; several salesmen are in sight. Up at Albany Ford-Subaru, salesman Myers Howard, sitting a few feet away from a big Ford pickup truck, says things on the Ford side of the showroom "are slow." That might be the understatement of the day.

Just this past week, General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. underwent the humiliation of seeing their credit ratings reduced by Standard & Poor's Ratings Services to the status of junk. The reasons are becoming clear -- the two big companies can't sell much of what they produce.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: autosales; suv
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To: tnlibertarian
I tend to think of my Jeep as more of a street-legal ATV.

LOL! True. Jeep on O)|||||||(O

281 posted on 05/09/2005 12:42:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (If you don't know your history, you can't know where you are going)
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To: Bella_Bru; Junior

All I was trying to convey was that the whining (other peoples' opinions) about SUVs on this thread seems based on principles not generally associated with a conservative base. That's all I was saying (my opinion).


282 posted on 05/09/2005 12:48:41 PM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: MississippiMasterpiece
G.M./Ford just needs to develop or import the latest generation of turbo diesels. VW has a nice one and International makes several nice ones for small to big sized trucks.
A far cry from the junk they tried foisting on us 20 years ago. Better mileage than a hybrid, and no $6000 battery pack to replace.
But they bitch about having to reconfigure the torque cures and drive-line ratios. Fine, then they can go out of business that much sooner. Idiots & poltroons.
283 posted on 05/09/2005 12:51:54 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: traumer
WTF is this obscession with the cup holder?

Every vehicle I've ever owned (other than the two-wheeled variety) has had a cupholder in the same spot.

Right betwixt my thighs.

284 posted on 05/09/2005 1:01:23 PM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Are you saying one should have a commercial license to drive a pick-up truck?

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't be allowed to drive a vehicle without having the proper skills and training to do so. And yes, I think the same rules should be applied to a quad cab extended bed truck as a suburban, as it should apply to a honda civic, or a geo metro or a moped. If you lack the skills and/or training necessary to safely operate it without being a menace to every other driver on the road, you should not be allowed behind the wheel.

A co-worker decided a few years back to purchase a motorcycle. He went down to the Harley dealership, pulled out his checkbook, and purchased the most powerful bike on the lot. He made it about 300 yards down the access road from the dealership before he crossed over 3 lanes of highway into the center median, and across the 3 oncoming lanes and laying the bike down in the ditch. He had never even been a passenger on a motorcycle before, yet he felt it was perfectly acceptable to put everyone on the road at risk due to his lack of experience and training. That's the wrong answer in my book.

I have absolutely zero problems with anyone who can afford to purchase the biggest, most gas guzzling vehicle on the road, if that is there choice, they should have the right to do so. But learn how to operate it before you get out on the road and put everyone else in danger.

Hopefully that will clear up any confusion you might have in what I'm saying.

285 posted on 05/09/2005 1:08:45 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt ( Gun Control - The difference between Lexington Green and Tiennimen Square.)
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To: Junior
I know of at least one fatal accident caused by blocked line-of-sight; the SUV in question suddenly changed lanes and the car behind him plowed into the vehicle stalled in the lane.

Correction: That accident was caused by following too closely.

286 posted on 05/09/2005 1:24:04 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: traumer
GMC offers a range of dual fuel and alternative fuel SUVs. Does anyone have experience with the E85 vehicles? Link below

http://www.gm.com/automotive/innovations/altfuel/vehicles/suv/

287 posted on 05/09/2005 1:29:46 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: brownsfan
I disagree. If you called it a station wagon, no one would touch it. It would negate the "cool" factor. An SUV is a "Sport" Utility Vehicle, therefore, it's cool.

It's all an advertising gimmick. Anything can be labeled as either "cool" or "uncool". These labels change as frequently as the weather. One day something is "cool" and the next day it suddenly becomes "uncool", and vice versa. Anybody who buys something because it's supposed to be "cool" is simply giving in to the advertising pitch, and the advertisers love it when that happens.

288 posted on 05/09/2005 1:33:55 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Junior
Like I said, if I can't see around your vehicle to the road ahead (and I drive a Ford Ranger), don't ever expect me to allow you to merge in front of me.

LOL! THAT'll show THEM!

289 posted on 05/09/2005 1:37:06 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Junior

"I never blamed it on the SUV. Once again, you people are reading stuff into these posts that is not there." - Junior.

Your words say otherwise:

"I know of at least one fatal accident caused by blocked line-of-sight; the SUV in question suddenly changed lanes and the car behind him plowed into the vehicle stalled in the lane." - Junior.

You said the accident was 'caused' by the SUV blocking the line-of-sight.


290 posted on 05/09/2005 1:49:18 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: Centurion2000

I've got a problem with people being allowed to effectively arm themselves with mass, while I have no similar right to arm my own car with machine guns and flamethrowers.


291 posted on 05/09/2005 1:52:48 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: DugwayDuke
You choose to drive a small car therefore you've choosen to accept the risks of that type car. You have no right to dictate to any other driver the types of risks that they should take.

Yet by buying an SUV, you are dictating that all other drivers assume a greater risk. So that line of argument doesn't fly.

292 posted on 05/09/2005 1:54:15 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: Bella_Bru
My complaint is that it seems as though many of the drivers of SUVs thinking driving a larger, allegedly safer vehicle absolves them of the responsibility of not driving like an a@@hole.

I see this comment all the time on Free Republic from extremely uptight non-SUV owners, and can only help but wonder where the hell this idea comes from??? Almost all SUV drives I see, because of the added weight, and sluggishness of stoping and going, actually drive the way a car is intended too. Its always the guys in small economy cars that go 90 on a crowded highway switching lanes (even breakdown lanes), and its not always some punk high school kid either.

Another thing ive noticed: A pet peave of mine is when your pulling out of gas station or something and you have to cross trafic to get to the other side of the road, and the oncoming traffic will have a red light and NOBODY stops to let you cross. They're all sitting their oblivious to the world around them as they rush down only to stop 20 feet later, and all the cars blocking you in. Anyways, i've noticed that 9 times out of 10, the car that does stop to let you cross is an SUV. And ive noticed that before i joined the SUV club.

293 posted on 05/09/2005 1:54:51 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: JavaTheHutt

"Hopefully that will clear up any confusion you might have in what I'm saying."

Not really. You danced a lot but you didn't really answer my specific question: do you believe that any one who drives a pick-up truck should have a commercial driver's license? I asked this question because you said anyone driving a suburban should have a commercial driver's license. The suburban is nothing more or less than a pick-up truck. So do you think a commercial driver's license is required to drive a pick-up truck? BTW, there's a lot more to a commercial driver's license than driving skills.


294 posted on 05/09/2005 1:55:26 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: rdcorso

A station wagon would do the job, too... but it's not the folks with three small kids that tick me off, it's the solo commuters/cruisers in SUVs that do.


295 posted on 05/09/2005 1:56:38 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: thoughtomator
-"When on an average day you can routinely see 6-7 SUVs in a row lined up at a stoplight, it's officially gotten ridiculous."-

Why?

Whats wrong with people wanting to own a SUV? Please do not reply "because they are dangerous to those who drive cars" My thought on that is people who believe that should buy a SUV!
296 posted on 05/09/2005 1:57:58 PM PDT by ihv2bme
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To: aruanan

The greater danger of SUVs on the road is self-evident - so evident, in fact, that it is one of the top stated reasons for buying SUVs in the first place.


297 posted on 05/09/2005 1:58:03 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: Centurion2000

Where do I buy?


298 posted on 05/09/2005 1:59:04 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: DugwayDuke

It was a statement of fact. LOS was blocked by the SUV. No one blamed him for the accident, least of all the Georgia State Patrol which investigated. I'm sorry if you felt the statement was an indictment.


299 posted on 05/09/2005 1:59:19 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: thoughtomator

"Yet by buying an SUV, you are dictating that all other drivers assume a greater risk. So that line of argument doesn't fly."

No, the argument does fly since I've not dictated the size of car you drive. You have the freedom to drive any thing from a go-cart to a five ton commercial rig so you do get to choose the risk level you desire.

You see, you've choosen to drive a smaller car with a greater risk. But rather than accept the consequences of your decision, you wish to force me to accept a greater risk to reduce the risk inherent to your decision to pursue a high-risk course of action. If you do not like the consequences of your decisions, then make other decisions. But do not attempt to limit my freedom to limit my risks.


300 posted on 05/09/2005 2:00:56 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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