[Robert_Paulson2]

some day, the robed ones at the supreme court will have to face the music, and determine once and for all: "Are guns individual rights? or rights belonging to the collective, and governed therby?"

Same goes for the other bill of rights items. Perhaps all our enumerated rights, are really just for the good of the collective... including speech.

yeah that's the ticket.

[risk]

As SittinYonder says, what the courts say about the right to keep and bear arms is (in the big, historic picture) irrelevant. These rights are inborn. No mere man can fritter them away with a gavel or a pen, niether out of weakness, nor foolhardiness. On a case by case basis, the illegitimate power of these mere courts and other elected officials (again mortal men) can mean loss of life, limb, and property to those under their gavels and pens. Our founding fathers would ask us to pay close attention, wouldn't they?

[MarkL]

Perhaps all our enumerated rights, are really just for the good of the collective... including speech.

Well, even the enumerated rights don't really mean "what the words say."

After all, the SCOTUS ruled that "Congress shall make no law" doesn't really mean that "Congress shall make no law."

Mark