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CNN: Man Held in Custody at Frederick, MD Airport, Re: D.C. Plane Scare
Wednesday, May 11, 2005 | Kristinn

Posted on 05/11/2005 10:09:33 AM PDT by kristinn

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To: AppyPappy
A suitcase nuke weighs about 500 lbs I think. Technically, they are mines IIRC.

Actually Pappy, according to the National Terrorist Alert Resource Center suit case nukes aren't all that big - I suspect less than 100 lbs.


261 posted on 05/11/2005 2:50:11 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (Give me heaven... or a 637!)
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To: soundandvision

Hope this isn't off topic, but did anyone see the clip of congress evacuating? During that, someone grabbed a pole from the corner of the room. Anyone know what the heck that thing was? It was gold and there was an eagle at the top of it.


262 posted on 05/11/2005 2:50:56 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: narby

Truman had the White House rebuilt, not FDR. There is an incredible photo in the Truman Library of the gutted White House with excavation equipment inside.


263 posted on 05/11/2005 2:59:51 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Squawk 8888
During my first few hours of training my instructor would hand-surf. Sure gave my legs a workout...

Did he ever pull the "Flintstone slip" on you? Mine did once when I was a bit high on short final....He popped open his door and held it out with his foot.

264 posted on 05/11/2005 3:02:16 PM PDT by Chuckster ("Silence is not golden. It is yellow" Senator Zell Miller)
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To: cake_crumb

Like I said, he should have caught a missile for his stupidity.


265 posted on 05/11/2005 3:18:44 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: thoughtomator
" I have a modest proposal. Allow no aircraft with any Muslim aboard to travel to or within the United States."

That's reasonable enough for me--if you give an exemption clause for those Muslims who submit in person their travel plans to Homeland Security Headquarters along with an extensive dossier of background material on themselves and all acquaintances and remain present while it is completely researched.
266 posted on 05/11/2005 3:21:29 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: hummingbird

How I pity the bureaucrats and politik aristocracy scramblng for cover. I expect the wayward pilot and/or the Democrats will blame the pilot's faulty navigation on President Bush and the Patriot Act. (Only the last line is sarcasim.)

Can you imagine the paperwork that will be generated in the next few days?

***I'm about all the toilet paper...


267 posted on 05/11/2005 3:21:58 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: RSmithOpt

Yup, though the B had a nasty habit of getting distracted by the sun and wandering off by itself.


Either way, he should have received a missile for his actions. That's one government expense I'd happily help pay.


268 posted on 05/11/2005 3:22:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Chuckster

Reminds me of the days in a P2V. Opening up a hatch in the aft ordnance area, holding a corn broom out until the pilot trimmed it up, then pulling it back in. Then there's the times I'd milk the flexible rupper tube going to the true air transducer. Roller coaster.


269 posted on 05/11/2005 3:25:46 PM PDT by P3_Acoustic
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To: purpleland

(Hummm....reposted due to my incoherent comment...)

"How I pity the bureaucrats and politik aristocracy scramblng for cover. I expect the wayward pilot and/or the Democrats will blame the pilot's faulty navigation on President Bush and the Patriot Act. (Only the last line is sarcasim.)"

Can you imagine the paperwork that will be generated in the next few days?

***I'm imagining all the toilet paper today..."



270 posted on 05/11/2005 3:27:22 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: hummingbird

(Hummm....reposted due to my incoherent comment...)

"How I pity the bureaucrats and politik aristocracy scramblng for cover. I expect the wayward pilot and/or the Democrats will blame the pilot's faulty navigation on President Bush and the Patriot Act. (Only the last line is sarcasim.)"

Can you imagine the paperwork that will be generated in the next few days?

***I'm imagining all the toilet paper today..."


271 posted on 05/11/2005 3:29:07 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: jsbankston

That's why the systems around Washington need to be automatic with man-in-the-loop abort capability.


272 posted on 05/11/2005 3:30:19 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: N. Theknow; Aeronaut
Fort Detrick, MD Home of the famous "Anthrax bldg".. flown over it many a time in the past....Fredrick follows the standard design for most airports, there is usually something one really doesn't want to impact in case of engine failure after takeoff (most usually a school), which is constructed at the worst possible location for an engine out situation, right after the airport opens up.. it must be some sort of unwritten law

I've rented aircraft from Smoketown in the past, way back, used to be a nice place, don't know about what it's like now, did some avionics work for them too, a long time ago, traded it for flight time, an honored and age old practice ;-)

IMO this dude was a complete idijit, there is simply no excuse, in these post 9/11 days, for flying around down there without being in radio contact with either a tower or an approach/departure control, and knowing your position at all times ( a cinch with GPS, even with nothing but a sectional and VOR). This sounds like either a leftist wacko testing the waters, or some other nefarious individual (can't profile here, but you get the pic) doing the same thing as a dry run for another "for real" kamikaze attempt, with whatever payload you can imagine would fit even in a 150 (and there is a LOT of REALLY nasty stuff that will fit in even the smallest A/C.

Now, I may not have a medical any more (the FAA takes a dim view of those with closed head injuries, who take 200mg/day of Topamax (TM) for uncontrolled Migraines,( do you know that that stuff makes you lose words? "Uh.....Uh...whatever approach, this is Uh.....some aircraft..."well you get the pix...it doesn't affect one's typing skills, and you don't lose words all the time, I'm just kidding around some here ;-) and 200MG/day of Zoloft (TM) and blood pressure meds in the left seat( or any seat) in the pointy end of aircraft, Comml/Private, either fixed wing or Helo, and it's real hard to have to give it up cold (been on the ground since '98) but one doesn't forget such basic procedures, especially in such sensitive airspace.

This guy is a nutball, and frankly, if a couple of FA-18's hosed some 20 MM tracers in front of his prop, he deserved to fill his pants..... Darn, I would have loved to see some actual video, both from the FA-18 gun camera/HUD, and (I wish) from a "candid camera" in that 150 cockpit. The mix of the screams with the engine noise would be priceless.

Sometimes the system does work, after all.. I wonder what freq this idjit was "ignoring" on, and if he was squawking anything except 1200......

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

273 posted on 05/11/2005 3:36:09 PM PDT by gwmoore (As the manual for the Russian Nagant revolver states: "Target Practice:'At the Deserter, FIRE' '')
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To: P3_Acoustic

LOL!


274 posted on 05/11/2005 3:42:24 PM PDT by Chuckster ("Silence is not golden. It is yellow" Senator Zell Miller)
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To: N. Theknow
What was the name of the Army base in Frederick?

Good old Camp Detrick, also known as "Detrick U" by the boys of the 9766th TSU 1951-53. "He who wears the Service Star shall never wear a battle scar".

275 posted on 05/11/2005 3:49:14 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: gwmoore
or some other nefarious individual (can't profile here, but you get the pic) doing the same thing as a dry run for another "for real" kamikaze attempt,
Then we'll see how well the Patriot 'SAMs' work then ...

(KNOW your air defense capability, then extrapolate to the expected result ...)

276 posted on 05/11/2005 4:12:18 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: RSmithOpt
never see bush pilots flying them in Alaska.

IMNSHO a 180 or 182 is a bit light for bush work. Even a 172 is useless with floats- as a land plane you have to leave one seat empty if your tanks are full so add the floats and it won't lift much more than the pilot.

277 posted on 05/11/2005 4:25:12 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: _Jim
Would this be the same Patriot Missile System that was allegedly operational on 9/10/01?
278 posted on 05/11/2005 4:29:20 PM PDT by jsbankston
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To: Spktyr

One accidental (or even proper) shootdown could do more damage than a wayward plane. Unleashing ordinance over a populated area has the potential for a lot of casualties. I'd rather have someone on the button who'd consider the consequences before making a decision.


279 posted on 05/11/2005 4:44:36 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: _Jim
Good Evening, Jim,

Darn right......I do believe they will work quite well, as designed.... I just hope that the C3I folks have the intestinal fortitude to authorize release when such a scenario happens. I fear that those in authority will be too micromanaged, and bound by Political Correctness, and fear of lawsuits from the unavoidable collateral damage from the falling bits that they will make the always fatal mistake of "delayed decision"

There simply isn't enough time, given the distances involved, to become involved in a lengthy hand-ringing decision process. If you have a "hostile inbound", one simply has to make "x" number of radio calls, fire "x number of flares, allow a fighter to make a intercept pass, fire some warning shots, and if said "hostile" doesn't immediately do a 180,lower their gear (if said aircraft has retractable gear) and follow the intercept A/C to the designated airport for arrest/impoundment, then one commands "release". and the automatic sequencer takes over from that point. The stakes are too high, and the possible lethal area of munitions which can be carried in even the smallest of aircraft makes necessary a definitive destruct point, without recourse, as far away from the sensitive area as possible. The choice is simple, and one has to revert to common sense and training, and totally ignore polls, public opinion, and "Monday morning quarterbacking".

If someone screws up big time, then, in today's world, there simply is no wiggle room for second guessing, at least that is the way I was trained.

Unfortunately, in the real world of "all news all the time" and "instant polls". and the talking heads spewing nonsense about everything before they know anything, I sincerely doubt that instant, decisive, action is a real fact. I hope I'm wrong, and I see the result of a successful intercept/shootdown, of an actual terrorist threat on the news, to prove to the public that the danger exists, and we can successfully put a period to it.

Thanks for stating the exact view we all should have, and follow...

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

280 posted on 05/11/2005 5:00:50 PM PDT by gwmoore (As the manual for the Russian Nagant revolver states: "Target Practice:'At the Deserter, FIRE' '')
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