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No Sense! Daily Drink Does WHAT?
Netscape ^ | 5/11/05 | Netscape

Posted on 05/11/2005 7:35:22 PM PDT by agenda_express

No Sense! Daily Drink Does WHAT?

This seems counterintuitive, but researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Mass., have determined that consuming moderate amounts of alcohol may prevent kidney function decline in men, reports HealthDayNews.

Before you run out and celebrate with a six-pack, know this one important fact: Moderation means about one drink a day. (Also, the researchers stressed that no one should take up drinking as way of protecting the kidneys.)

In this study, patient blood samples and questionnaires were collected from more than 11,000 healthy men who are enrolled in the ongoing Physicians' Health Study. Those who drank at least seven alcoholic beverages a week had a 30 percent lower risk of elevated levels of a compound called creatinine in the blood, compared to men who had one or no drinks per week. High blood creatinine levels are a strong indicator of kidney dysfunction, notes HealthDayNews.

While previous research has found that alcohol consumption is beneficial for the cardiovascular system, such research has also shown alcohol has a harmful effect on the kidneys, notes lead study author Dr. Tobias Kurth. "This is the first study to show a consistent reduction in the risk of chronic kidney disease with light to moderate drinking," he told HealthDayNews. "Given the new findings that traditional cardiovascular risk factors are associated with kidney disease, the data is not surprising. This study may be broadening our knowledge of alcohol and disease prevention." The research findings were published in the Archives of Internal Medicine.


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alcohol; cary; daily; drink; good; health; kidney; mmmmmmbeer
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To: balch3; A Jovial Cad
I thought the Bible said it was a sin to steal?

Beer and Other Alcoholic Beverages in the Bible

And to add another point to the deconstruction of your post. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is not triggered by a few glasses of wine at a wedding, it results from an abuse of alcohol, i.e. drinking throughout pregnancy. Jesus could serve a glass of wine to a pregnant woman without fear.

41 posted on 05/12/2005 3:58:32 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: agenda_express
If I have one drink, I will have two. If I have two drinks, I will have many. f I have many drinks, I will do cocaine.

And then I will die.

So it's not so healthy for THIS addict.

42 posted on 05/12/2005 3:59:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: NH Liberty
I haven't been around a while because my job's been crazy busy. Also, I spent the past two weeks in Nashville and then Alabama.

Not low-carbing anymore but I do go easy on them still and I still avoid nearly all processed foods. I still walk at least 5 miles a day - every day. I lost 108 pounds total.

43 posted on 05/12/2005 2:57:21 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: SamAdams76

Moderate drinking is not "good" for you no matter how you look at it.


44 posted on 05/12/2005 3:00:12 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: balch3

There was no such thing as "unfermented grape juice" in the Mediterranean before the advent of refrigeration.


45 posted on 05/12/2005 3:02:32 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: TomB; balch3
TomB: I suspected as much. That was just a little too pat as a lengthy, "detailed" (false as those "details" have proved to be) reply, so I suspected an en masse cut-and-paste from another source (and without attribution!); just couldn't prove it at the time.

Great find.

balch3: Exodus 20:15. It would behoove you to memorize that Scripture first, and then work your way up to lecturing the rest of us on the "evils" of the old Demon Rum.

46 posted on 05/12/2005 3:10:50 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: thoughtomator
"My projected lifespan keeps getting longer and longer"

Mine too, thanks to Dr. Jack, Mr. Bud and Ms. Burgundy.

Now if only there would be some research which concludes that smoking (in moderation of course) is beneficial for heart and lungs, I'd live to be 100. lol

47 posted on 05/12/2005 3:16:26 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: Spruce
"Beer is one of Gods ways of saying he loves us and wants us to be happy.

Tis true. And when one has had enough beers, one loves all of God's children--well, at least the ones that look good to you, when you hear "last call!" LOL

48 posted on 05/12/2005 3:21:51 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: A Jovial Cad
The reference to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome hit me as quite odd. That is what set off my BS detector. Someone is going to great lenghts to make a specious point to bring that non-sequitur up.

And, as some other poster pointed out, without refrigeration, any juice like grape juice will begin to ferment immediately after production. So if you want to aruge whether or not it is alcohol, you are only arguing degrees.

49 posted on 05/12/2005 5:39:19 PM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: A Jovial Cad

Did I ever say it was my work? I thought it was so obvious that I had cut and pasted that I didn't need to point it out. The link was supposed to be on there but I guess it got left off the end. Yall can nitpick all you want, but the point still stands.


50 posted on 05/12/2005 9:52:00 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3; TomB
Did I ever say it was my work?

Uh-huh...

You did not use quotation marks. You did not include an attribution to the original author at any point in the body of the text. You did not even deign to post said text in an italicized form. In short, you did not indicate in any way, shape, manner, or form that the "work" posted was anything other than your own.

The reader was thus left with this impression (and you well know it) upon perusing the post: "balch3" was the author. And that, as has been shown, is false.

Who're you trying to kid?

I thought it was so obvious that I had cut and pasted that I didn't need to point it out

Here you trot out one of the age-old excuses of the caught-red-handed plagiarist: the readers should've known!

Peddle it elsewhere, and to someone who cares; that lame excuse doesn't wash. But then, little else you've posted regarding the matter does, either, so at least you're consistent...

The link was supposed to be on there but I guess it got left off the end

Uh-huh. I'd say it did. Nice of you to notice that and post a second reply to your original post that cleared the whole matter up right awa-...oh, wait; never mind.

I don't believe you.

And neither, I suspect, does any other sensible person perusing this thread. Your credibility, heretofore hovering at Zero, has now started to sink down into the negative integers....

Yall can nitpick all you want, but the point still stands

It most certainly does not: the plagiarized "point" you were attempting to peddle (and as your own, no less!) has been refuted in its entirety, and in detail.

Not only have you, Sir, been proved to be a base plagiarist, but the very facts you "borrowed" (to be generous) have been shown to be a tissue of smarmy historical distortions commingled with a scummy elixir of outright lies.

What say you? ...*snicker*...

(P.S. - see my tagline.)

51 posted on 05/12/2005 11:42:45 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: balch3; A Jovial Cad
Did I ever say it was my work?

Uh, yes.

If you look at the bottom of "your" screed, you will see "by balch3". If you had forgotten or noticed the attribution didn't show, you would have posted a correction immediately.

Yall can nitpick all you want, but the point still stands.

Which "point" is that? That FAS doesn't affect women who drink a few glasses of wine during pregnancy? That fermentation of grapes begins immediately after extracting the juice? How about all the other points?

You've defended nothing in your cut-and-paste job.

52 posted on 05/13/2005 3:32:56 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

I've seen many, many cut and paste posts on FR, done exactly this way. I thought it was standard practice. But if you want to get all worked up about it, that's your problem.


53 posted on 05/13/2005 2:10:59 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3; A Jovial Cad
I've seen many, many cut and paste posts on FR, done exactly this way. I thought it was standard practice.

I bet you've seen MANY in your 5 months here. But I'd love to see some examples.

But if you want to get all worked up about it, that's your problem.

Actually, I'm all worked up over the fact you cannot defend "your" post from the shredding it got.

And that's YOUR problem.

54 posted on 05/13/2005 2:45:45 PM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: agenda_express

Thank You! I'm gonna print this an magnatize it to the frig.


55 posted on 05/13/2005 3:09:22 PM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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